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An Apologetic on Babylon the Great of Revelation.( submitted Nov. 12,06.).
An Apologetic on Dispensationalism. (submitted Nov. 16,06.).
The Great Debate: Who is the Beast of Revelation? (submitted Dec. 20,06).
Looking to Revelation: Written before or after 70 A.D.? (submitted Jan. 29,07).
Jesus' Coming in Clouds and the Resurrection of the Dead. (submitted Feb. 18,07).
The Covenants relating to God's Salvation Plan for Mankind. (Not posted).
The Renovation of the Earth by Fire and the New Jerusalem.(submitted April 29,07).
How the Births of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ relate to the "1000 years." (submitted Dec. 22,07).
The on-going controversy, the Genesis Creation account.(submitted Nov. 12,07).
An Apologetic of the Debated "Time-Gap" of Daniel's 70th Seven.
Who is Mystery, Babylon the Great?
The Beasts of Daniel Chapters 10-12 Reviewed.
The Teaching of the Holy Spirit to the Apostles. (submitted Oct. 4,09).

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The Seven Assemblies of Revelation.pdf

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An Apologetic on Babylon the Great of Revelation.

In Don Preston's article, May 11,06, "Babylon the great of Revelation," Don concludes that Babylon must refer to Jerusalem because only Jerusalem killed Old Testament prophets. He quotes here, "--and prophets in Revelation must refer to Old Testament prophets. Rev. 16-6;17-1-6;18-20,24 tell us that Babylon was drunk with the blood of the prophets. This is a critical point! The term "the prophets" appears 88 times in the New Testament. The overwhelmingly usage of the term refers to Old Testament prophets." (End of quote).

This argument is rather weak because for one example, Rev. 18-20 evidently refers to New Testament apostles "and prophets." It reads, "Rejoice over her, (thou) heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her." And Revelation 11 speaks of the two witnesses prophesying  as "prophets" which is evidently in the New Testament era. Paul speaks of prophets besides other gifts in 1 Cor. 12-27-28. Then explains in detail these functions and gifts concerning the prophets in 1 Cor. 12-29 to 14-40 in the church. We read in Ephe. 4-11-12, "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ." Clearly speaking here of the New Testament church and the gifts given to it by the Holy Spirit. So to argue that these are only Old Testament prophets given in Revelation is quite implausible.

Furthermore to identify Mystery Babylon of Revelation with Jerusalem is also implausible. For Jerusalem does not fit with the description given in Revelation chapter 17 as the city on seven hills or mountains. These hill or mountains represent "kingdoms." Now Jerusalem did not "come out" of the Roman Empire, yet the little horn of Daniel (which is identified with Revelation's Babylon) is said to come out of or from the Roman Empire (the 4th beast). Also this Mystery Babylon called "a woman" is seen as a whore in Revelation chapter 17. The term "whoredom" and "fornication" identifies corrupted Christians (Rev. 2-14,20,22). So it simply does not fit to identify Babylon with Jerusalem, but it certainly fits with the apostate church prophesied to come.

Going to Rev. 17-5, the word translated "Mystery" there is incorrect. The verse reads, "And upon her forehead (see Rev. 13-1) a name written, "Mystery Babylon the Great", the mother of the harlots and of the abominations of the earth." The Greek word is "musterion" and simply means "a secret." It occurs in the Septuagint only 9 times; of the king's secret which had gone from him (Dan. 2-18,19,27,28,29,30,47 (twice) and Dan. 4-9.
Continuing in Rev. 11-8-9a, all critical texts read; "And their dead body* (sing.) on the street of the great city, which is called spiritually Sodom, and Egypt, where their* Lord also was crucified. And the peoples (lit. Heb.,some of the peoples) and tribes and tongues and nations, look upon their corpse* (sing.) three days and a half, (Rev. 11-9b) and do not suffer their corpses* (plural) to be put into a tomb." Here in verse 8 we see these two witnesses are seen as "one", their dead body, rather than bodies, as being two individuals. Also given in the first part of verse 9, where they look upon their corpse. The verse goes on to say "their dead body--on the street of the great city." It does not "name" the "great city," literally, but makes clear it is "figurative" in that it is "like" Sodom and Egypt in its spiritual nature. Like Sodom seen in Genesis chapters 18-19 and 2 Peter 2-6. And like Egypt seen in Exo. 1-1-15.

Now we ask, if this "great city" be "Jerusalem," why did John not write; "---the great city Jerusalem that has become as Sodom and Egypt." For she is mentioned as such in scripture (Neh. 7-3-4; Jer. 22-5,7-9), which surely John knew to be. No, it is not Jerusalem, that is why John indicates it is figurative speech. Why he wrote "the great city which is called spiritually (figuratively) Sodom and Egypt." The following words of John's sentence continues to indicate this to us. "---where "their" Lord also, was crucified." The translators of scripture changed the word "their" to "our" in their translation of the word. For the critical texts and the G.L.T.Tr.A WH. and R.V. properly reads Greek "auton" translated "their", instead of "hemon" to mean "our". The proper translation is "where their Lord also, was crucified," not literally but "spiritually." As is seen in Heb. 6-4-6, "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit (recieved the Holy Spirit)---.If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify* (spiritually) to themselves the Son of God afresh (again), and put (Christ) to an open shame."

This is the meaning of Rev. 11-8, "And their dead body on the street of the great city (a great city-not Jerusalem), which is called spiritually Sodom, and Egypt, where their Lord also, was crucified." Spiritually crucified, by those who had fallen away, by those who had partook of the Holy Spirit, in this city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. (V.9) "And the peoples (lit., some of the peoples) and tribes and tongues and nations (of this city) look upon their corpse three days and a half and do not suffer their corpses to be put into a tomb."

We see in Rev. 11-1-2 that John begins to indicate this very fact to us. That "Jerusalem" is not the "city" being spoken of here in this chapter. "And there was given to me a reed like a measuring rod; and (the angel) said Rise, and measure the temple (Naos) of God, and the alter, and those who worship therein. But the court that is without the temple (naos) cast without, and measure it not; because it is given up to the Gentiles; and the holy city shall they thread underfoot forty and two months."

We see here that John was to measure, figuratively speaking, the Naos (temple) of God, and not its outer precincts. The problem that arises here is that the partial and full preterists see this verse as being the temple in Jerusalem before its fall. For they believe that the book of Revelation was written several years prior to the fall of Jerusalem (mid 60's), and not in 90-95 A.D. as most scholars and Christians hold to. But the problem with the preterist approach is even if we were to agree with the mid 60's writing of Revelation, where the temple mentioned here is the Jerusalem temple prior to its fall, why is it called "the Naos of God"? For at that time God no longer seen the temple in Jerusalem, nor the city as "holy", for he had rejected it. When they, the Jewish nation rejected His Son Jesus Christ their Messiah, shortly before his crucifixion many years prior to Jerusalem's fall. This is seen in Matt. 23-37-39 and Luke 19-41-44. "---Behold, your house is left unto you desolate" (Matt. 23-38). "---because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation" (Luke 19-44).

If this were the temple in Jerusalem that John writes of here it would not be called "the Naos of God." No, it is written this way to indicate to us that this "Naos of God" considered "holy" here is "not the temple in the city of Jerusalem." This can be seen in the words of the following verse; "---and the holy city* shall they thread underfoot forty and two months." We see here the "city" is considered "holy" as is the Naos (temple) of God that resides in it; so this cannot be Jerusalem and its temple as noted. And again we note that John did not write, "and the holy city "of Jerusalem" shall they thread underfoot forty and two months." No, Rev. 11-1-2,8-9 that speaks of the temple (Naos) of God and the holy city is not the temple and city of Jerusalem being spoken of here. It is another temple in another city when the prophecy would come to fulfillment with the two witnesses accompanying that prophecy.

There is much that could be written in Revelation that simply does not fit nor apply to Jerusalem, the temple and the Jewish nation as they being its fulfillment. Like the beast, the false prophet, the woman and etc., which would have dominion over the kings of the earth and be worshipped for a time. History shows us quite the contrary of that time. Rome was the dominent power not the Jewish nation. She was subserviant to Rome and under her dominion. And she certainly was not "worshipped" by the world, or known world at that time. Much to much to be discussed here in this article.
Therefore, in closing, regarding this issue and the many other issues concerning eschatology, we have a website that you can visit if you wish to as to these important issues. Our address is; http://www.twospiritshendora.com.

The literal Greek in Rev. 17-18 is; "Kai (and) h (the) gunh (woman) hn (whom) eideo (thou sawest), estin (is) j (the) poliv h (city) megalh (great) j (which) ecousa (has a) basileian (kingdom) epi (over) twn (the) basilewn (kings) thv (of the) gjhv (earth)." So the translation reads, "And the woman whom thou sawest is the city great, which has a kingdom (religious and political) over (dominating over) the kings of the earth." By this verse we now can see who "Mystery Babylon" is. It is the beast of the sea, the 7th, the political beast kingdom. Which is also the beast of the earth, the 8th, the religious beast kingdom (the woman) who rides upon the beast of the sea. To indicate she is "a part" of the beast kingdom's makeup. And this "Mystery Babylon kingdom" is called "the woman" the "great city" which has "a kingdom" (who dominates) "over the kings of the earth."

God bless, Twospirits.
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(Article updated on Jan. 14,07).

Recently, it came to my attention of certain statements that were made on Lighthouse World Ministries on John Anderson's Sunday night radio program on Nov. 12,06 by guest Don Preston. The statements referred to the article I wrote on "An Apologetic on Babylon the Great of Revelation," posted on Planetpreterist.com and seen here above on Nov. 12,06.

On this program host John Anderson stated to Don Preston, "(Don) you mentioned an article (my posted article), I just sent you a copy of this from Planetpreterist,---. (Don replies here) "Yes indeed, I just got those scanned ever so briefly, and I was going to email you back and see if those gentlemen would be willing to come on the program and perhaps discuss the issues that they had raised." As they spoke John Anderson agreed with Don on this idea of discussing the issue on his program.

As they went further on into the program, when speaking of Babylon, John Anderson says to Don Preston,"--I hope I can get this guy on the broadcast about Babylon in the book of Revelation being the fall---,(Don replies here) "--the fall of Judah---(John replies) "--absolutely, its Judah's demise---(Don replies) "Yes, yes, I certainly hope this gentleman who wrote the article on Planetpreterist will be willing to come on this program and to debate this issue. I mean "he calls people," to uh, as it were, "to leave Planetpreterist and come over on to his,---go to his website" (italics mine) and read what he had to say about Babylon, which is just fine,--okey. I encourage people to read all different views to take in all the evidence and asimulate that evidence and to make up, and make---a wise knowledgeable scriptural based decision. So "I have no problem posting an article on Planetpreterist," (italics mine) uh, but my point is this, but if he's "going to challenge preterists" (italics mine) to take another look, then he ought to be willing to come on this program and to present his case, uh, in a formalized type of discussion with you as the moderator, which you've done many many times, and to let our audience and anyone who wants to tune in to hear the evidence for the identity of Babylon of Revelation. So we certainly hope we can get this gentleman on this program to discuss these issues." Here the comments end concerning the article and this writer.

Setting the Record straight.

Note that I italisized certain comments I found to be mispresenting of me and my reasons for presenting the article in good faith on Planetpreterist. And I wish to set the record straight here. First, Planetpreterist, I believe is one of very few of the many Christian sites out there, and there are many, that are "truely open" in their search for God's Truth, even though I and others may disagree with some of their teachings and doctrines. I found this to be so when I started to look into their site in September of 06. I found their site to be quite open and frank to one and all who may wish to present their opinions, comments, and even post articles if they wished to, governed by their rules posted there.

In posting an article "they recommend" that you give a URL address, be it an email or website address, "for those who may wish to contact you on the article posted. Since my email address is the same as my website address (@twospiritshendora.com), I gave my website address when I posted my 1st article on Nov.12,06, and for no other reason. Don Preston of all people should know this is so, because he is one of the columnists on Planetpreterist listed there on their web page.

Yet concerning me, he stated on John Anderson's program that (I) "--he calls people---to leave Planetpreterist---." An insinuation here that "I'm calling them to leave their teachings, views or beliefs, and "come over to his (my) website." Where in my article it shows this is simply untrue. He goes on to state, "I have no problem posting an article on Planetpreterist,---." Certainly, for he's a columnist there and he knows that "I did not go against their rules in any way on posting an article and giving my website address." Then he goes on to state, "but if he's "going to challenge preterists" to take another look---." I never in my article "challenged preterists", I only presented "my views" of what the scriptures revealed to me. That's why the article was titled "An Apologetic* on Babylon the Great of Revelation." The scriptural issues presented there, which Planetpreterist chose to post.

These truths can be seen in the last paragraph of that article. It states; "There is much more that can be said concerning this issue, but space and time will not permit." Certainly most, including Don Preston would realize this fact that a "short article" cannot cover all bibical issues such as these. "So in closing regarding this issue and the many other issues concerning eschatology---," I politely stated that if they wish to know more on this issue of eschatology that they can do so. This was done in following the rules outlined by Planetpreterist. So I stated, "--we have a website that you can visit "if you wish"* as to these important issues. We give an in-depth study on these issues "letting scripture speak the final word."* We also have a blog set up "if you wish"* to present your comments."

God bless, Twospirits.

So setting the record straight: I posted the article according to the rules set by Planetpreterist in giving my website address, and not for the reasons Don Preston insinuated in his statements concerning me. "That I call people--to leave Planetpreterist and come over to my website." And that "I challenge preterists." Not so, Planetpreterist posts many articles other than the preterist view; even some that are very critical of their views. Nevertheless, Planetpreterist chooses to post them, I believe, in order for the viewing audience to determine for themselves as they present these different views seen in those articles.

Don Preston's reply seen under "comments" to the article posted.

(Nov. 15,06) "I want to thank you for your thoughtful comments. Naturally, I do strongly disagree with them, and find them to be fundamentally flawed, and at odds with the text. I have spoken with John Anderson of Lighthouse World Ministries, the host of a world-wide radio program aired each Sunday night, about having a two hour discussion between you and me. He is very much in favor of airing such a discussion. So if you would be interested in formally discussing the identity of Babylon of Revelation in a formal radio debate, please respond either here, or send me an email, and we can discuss the logistics.
I very much look forward to hearing back from you asap!
For His Truth and In His Grace,
Don K. Preston
(Reply to This).

I responded to his invitation in the second article posted on Nov. 16,06 on Planetpreterist titled; "An Apologetic on Dispensationalism." The reply is found under "comments" of the article.

(Nov. 19,06) "I am posting a reply here to those who had read and commented on my article submitted on Nov. 12,06, "An Apologetic on Babylon the Great of Revelation." I apologize for not answering on some of your comments, for I began having problems with my computer and could not respond after sending in this article. Hopefully now the problem has been corrected. Don Preston sent me an invitation to debate him on John Anderson's Lighthouse World Ministries radio program  on Nov. 15,06. I felt highly honored to say the least that he would see me as a worthy opponent.

In response to your invitation Don, I want it noted here publicly for all to read that I must decline for health reasons. I am 64 years old and my health, my lungs, have deteriorated where now I have acute asthma. Where I have great difficulty carrying on a lengthy conversation without having an asthmatic attack. Which then takes me a time to regather myself. Thus I feel it would be unfair to you, John Anderson as well as the listening audience to say the least. In closing I want to thank you for your gracious offer, your brother in Christ Twospirits."

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An Apologetic on Dispensationalism.

The Christian preachers and teachers who share certain ideas regarding prophetic end-time information, after a close examination of their teachings appear to have misunderstood the Old and New Testament. These ideas have produced the false teachings that: 1. The temple will be rebuilt in Jerusalem, 2. the old system of animal sacrifices will be restored, 3. all Israel (the Jewish nation) will be saved, 4. the "antichrist" and "false prophet" are to be two coming "super individuals" whom the world will follow; 5. Which at its fulfillment brings in a 1000 year reign on earth with Christ reigning from Jerusalem; with animal sacrifices continuing throughout his reign.

Those who hold to these prophetic views also teach that the church is not Israel, "the Israel of God." This teaching shows a foundational misunderstanding regarding the New Covenant. To accept the false teaching that the church (Jew and non-Jew) is not the Israel of God (the house of Israel); is to bring into question the words and promises of Jesus Christ; his apostles and every Old Testament prophecy regarding the New Covenant as being fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

When Christ established the New Covenant with the Israel of God, as Paul teaches, it defines "all" within it as being without race or gender (Ephe. 2-18-20). This is what the New Testament teaches, as we read in Gal. 3-28-29. "There is neither Jew nor Greek (Jew or non-Jew), there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to the promise." The apostle Paul could not have been any clearer. Any person regardless of his or her genetics Jew or non-Jew, or where they live who does not belong in Christ is "not" regarded as Abraham's descendants. They are considered to be outside the covenant. Paul in Gal. 6-14-16 writes, "---for neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And those who will walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God." Paul writes in Romans 11-26 that all those "in the Israel of God will be saved. "---and thus (in this way, under the New Covenant) "all Israel" (the house of Israel, Jew and non-Jew) will be saved; just as it is written; the deliverer (Jesus) will come from Zion, he will remove ungodliness from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them, when I take away their sins."

There is not one scripture that supports the teaching regarding a promise from God that an entire generation of people (Jews) will be saved. Nor is there one scripture that promises an entire generation will be saved "based" on their genetics. The term "all Israel" seen in Romans 11-26 is speaking of every faithful follower of God through time, and reaching into the future of all who will accept it, that is the New Covenant.

The most important chapter in the writings of Paul about the subject of the man of sin, many have come to call "the anti-christ" is 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. There Paul predicts the coming of "the man of sin---the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sits in the temple (Naos) of God, showing himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2-3-4). Primarily because of verse 3, "the man of sin," millions teach and preach that there will be "one" super individual called "the anti-christ" who will rise to power. But is this what Paul meant? In the book of 1 John, it plainly says that there are "many anti-christs" (1 John 2-18) and a "spirit of anti-christ" (1 John 4-3). John also wrote that any person who denies the true doctrine of Jesus Christ is "a deceiver and an anti-christ" (2 John 7,9). So here we see the idea of there being only "one" anti-christ is contrary to these biblical teachings.

Prophecy also refers to these same anti-christ as the "little horn" (Dan. 7-8), the "beast" (Rev. 13-1), "the mystery of iniquity" (2 Thess. 2-7), and "that Wicked" (2 Thess. 2-8). Do all these expressions refer to "one" evil person who will rise to power? Many agree that Daniel's "little horn", Revelation's "beast" and Paul's "man of sin" refer to the same thing. Daniel 7 describes 4 beasts; a lion, a bear, a leopard, and a dragon-like beast with ten horns (Dan. 7-3-7). Then comes the "little horn" from "out of" the head of the 4th beast (Dan. 7-8). This little horn has "eyes like the eyes of man," a "mouth speaking great things" and "makes war on the saints" (Dan. 7-8,21). This is exactly what "the beast" has and does in Rev. 13-5-7. Thus we see that the "little horn" in Daniel is the same as "the beast" in Revelation. What many fail to discern and understand is that in Daniel chapter 7 a beast is clearly defined as a "kingdom" and "not a man." The Holy scripture says, "---the fourth beast shall be the fourth "kingdom" upon the earth" (Dan. 7-23).

Going to Rev. 17-9-11 we read; "The seven heads are (represent) seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And they are also (also represent) seven kings; five are fallen, and one is, (and) the other (king/kingdom) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space" (time). And the beast (kingdom) that was, and is not, even he is the eighth (kingdom), and is of the seven (kingdoms) and goeth into perdition." The word "mountains" in scripture is a term also used for "kingdoms." And verse 11 makes it clear that it is speaking and represents "kingdoms", and not literal hills and mountains. Of these 7 it says, "the beast" that was---even he (of these 7 kingdoms/beasts) is the eighth (kingdom). Indicating to us that these are "not" hills or mountains but "kingdoms," and there are 8 of these kingdoms.

Now since we know that these verses speak of "kingdoms" and we are told that five have fallen, and the one "that is", we would then know to be Rome at the time this prophecy was given to John. Scripture only speaks of kingdoms that at one time or another dominated over Israel in one way or another. Therefore these spoken of here would be: 1. Egypt, 2. Assyria, 3. Babylon, 4. Medo-Persia, 5. Greece, 6. Rome, who dominated at the time the prophecy was given. The 7th, the beast of the sea in Rev. 13-1-10 that John saw was yet to come. Verse 11 goes on to say of this coming beast, "And the beast that was, and is not, even he (the 7th beast kingdom) is the eighth (beast kingdom also), and is of the seven,---." This 7th beast kingdom who is also the 8th kingdom is seen in Rev. 13-11-18, the beast of the earth. The religious beast kingdom Revelation calls the false prophet in Rev. 16-13, "And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast" (Rev. 13-12). The beast kingdom of the sea and the beast kingdom of the earth is political and religious in its nature and makeup, and are "a part of each other." Thus the different descriptions given it in Revelation. A "beast" a "false prophet" (Rev. 16-13) the "great city" and "great Babylon" (Rev. 16-19). The "great whore" that sits upon many waters" (Rev. 17-1). The "woman" who sits upon the beast (Rev. 17-7). "Mystery Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth." And "the woman which thou sawest is that great city," the great city called a woman here which has "a kingdom over the kings of the earth." And this beast kingdom of the sea and of the earth is not Rome, nor Jerusalem, that sits on seven "hills". For the word "hill" is a bad translation, it should properly translate "mountains" which is to represent "kingdoms."

In 2 Thess. 2-4, Paul tells us that "the man of sin" opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, so that "he as God sits in the temple (Naos) of God showing himself that he is God." So by this text and Dan. 9-27, many today teach that an individual called anti-christ will enter a literal rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, desecrate it and cause the re-instituted animal Jewish sacrifices to cease there. Dan. 9-27 states, "he causes the sacrifice and offerings to cease," but says nothing there of a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and a re-institution of animal sacrifices is caused to cease. Also it seems, those who teach these things do not take into account the New Covenant brought in through Christ.

In 2 Thess. 2-4, the Greek word for "temple" is "naos", and Paul uses the same word in 1 Cor. 3-16. In 1 Cor. 1-2, writing to "the church of God" Paul states, "What! Do you not know that you are the temple (naos) of God ?" Here Paul defines the "naos" or "temple of God" to be the church. In fact in all of Paul's writings every time he used the word "naos" (2 Cor. 6-16; Ephe. 2-21-22) he always applied it to the Christian church, and never once to a literal Jewish temple in Jerusalem. When Jesus Christ died his death put an end to all earthly sacrifices. He became the final sacrifice (Heb. 10-12). And would a rebuilt Jewish temple be called here by Paul "the temple of God?" This by itself would be a denial of God's Son Jesus Christ. The inspired word tells us that the "naos" is "the temple of God, the church, the body of Christ." This means that "anti-christ" to mean "many" will deceptively as predicted, enter Christianity, the body of Christ, and cause "the falling away." This is the meaning of "the sacrifice and offerings" that "are caused to cease." Because of the abominations in the body of Christ predicted for the end time.

Those who hold these views also refer to Rev. 11-2 as further confirmation that a literal temple will be rebuilt "in Jerusalem," with re-instituted Jewish sacrifices in progress when anti-christ would come to power. For this temple is to be measured as would the alter and those that worship therein. But the outer courts are not to be measured for they are given over to trampling. This indicates that there is to be a literal temple to be measured, and where this temple of God exists is called in Rev. 11-2, "the holy city." Therefore they see Rev. 11-2 as being a literal rebuilt temple "in Jerusalem" with re-instituted Jewish sacrifices in progress. For they see the phrase "the holy city" as being "the holy city of Jerusalem." In the same way the preterists see these verses as being the temple in the holy city of Jerusalem prior to its fall in 70 A.D.

In the Old Testament scriptures, Jerusalem is called "the holy city." But since they rejected Christ, the New Testament teaches us that "Jerusalem" is no longer "the holy city." It has been left desolate (Matt. 23-38; Luke 13-35;19-41-44;21-24) unto the end. We read in Heb. 13-13-14, "Let us go forth therefore unto him (Jesus) without the camp (outside Jerusalem), bearing his reproach. For here (in Jerusalem) have we no (have we no longer a) continuing city (Jerusalem), but we seek one ( the New Jerusalem) to come" (see Ezek. 48-35 and Rev. 21-10-27). Those who hold the teaching that Rev. 11-1-2 refers to a rebuilt temple "in Jerusalem" are incorrect. Rev. 11-1-2 only states that where this temple sanctuary to be built resides in, is considered as being "a holy city," for the Lord's sanctuary is in its midst. It does not state that this sanctuary to be measured when built, would be "in the holy city of Jerusalem." For Jerusalem is no longer considered "the holy city of God." Nor does it state that there would be a re-institution of Jewish sacrifices in progress at that time.

Many teach a 1000 year reign of Christ on earth because of the text seen in chapter 20 of Revelation. But it will be seen as we go along they are incorrect. There is no millennium as they see it in scripture. Chapter 19 of Revelation shows us that all the promises and judgments are fulfilled with the coming of Christ to bring in a new order. A new heaven and a new earth at a day and hour known only to the Lord. Like some of the other chapters given in Revelation, chapter 20 was given there to give us further details and events not given in the prior chapters. That is how Satan came to be "imprisoned" so that God's Will could be fulfilled on earth, the church age of grace brought in through His Son Jesus Christ. Where then "after the fulfillment time of Rev. 20-4-6 has been completed," Satan would be let loose again for a short season; to fulfill God's Will and salvation plan for mankind (see Rev. 17-17).

We begin in Rev. 20-1-7, "And I saw an angel descending out of heaven having the key of the Abyss* (see Rev. 9-1-11), and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,---." Here we see he was "bound" with "a great chain" that was in the angel's hand. And it is said he was bound this way 1000 years. A chain is used to "restrict, restrain, and control" an animal or individual, and this is what this represents here. He is "limited" in certain activities by God, restrained and under God's control for a 1000 years. It can be seen that this occurred when Jesus triumphed at the Cross. Where Satan received his sword wound to the head (Gen. 3-15). His "healing" is seen in Rev. 13-3 and 13-12, where it became healed through the beast (s). This "beast" whom Satan gives his throne and authority to. While we see Satan being bound this way for a 1000 years, we read in Rev. 20-4: "And I saw thrones and they sat upon them; and those that were beheaded on account of the testimony of Jesus* and for the word of God."

Note here, that these martyrs are Old AND New Testament saints. This refers us to Luke 22-30 and Matt. 19-28 where we read: "And Jesus said unto them, verily I say unto you, that ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man shall sit in the throne of his glory (not earth, but in heaven), ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." And this is the scene that John sees here occurring "in heaven" not on earth. By Jesus' statement, we see the thrones and those who sat upon them as being the apostles and others that had died "on account of the testimony of Jesus AND the word of God." Indicating Old AND New Testament martyrs. As we shall see, this is "a part" of the first group resurrected while Satan is restricted and bound for 1000 years. This time being "during the new Testament era," after Christ's crucifixion and the birth of the church beginning at Pentecost.

The "next part" of the 1st group to be resurrected is given in the following words of Rev. 20-4. "And whosoever did not worship the beast nor "yet" his image (at this resurrection time, the beast was not as yet), and did not receive the mark on their foreheads and on their hands, both (both groups the 1st and 2nd part resurrected) lived again and reigned with Christ a thousand years" (clearly showing in the New Testament era). Verse 5 goes on to explain this heavenly reign with Christ for a 1000 years while Satan is "bound." But we also read that the rest* of the dead, to be resurrected, "lived not again," were not resurrected UNTIL "the thousand years (the 1st 1000 years) be finished." And it tells us that this is called "the 1st resurrection." So we see that what consists of this "1st resurrection" is the group of whom some would sit on thrones to judge, but all resurrected would reign with Christ in heaven for "that" 1000 years. Where then "after" that time, the 2nd part, "the rest of the dead," would be resurrected. Just as the verse reads, "until the thousand years should be finished." The last part of verse 6 tells us what "their station" would be. This group raised after the 1000 years "shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall (also) reign with him a thousand years. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who hath part in the first resurrection; over these the second death hath not power---."

So we see the "1st resurrection" consists of two resurrections. But more importantly we see here that they are spaced "a 1000 years apart from each other." We read the 1st group, where some were given thrones and authority reigned with Christ a 1000 years. Where the rest of the dead were not resurrected "until" that 1000 years had ended. When that time had ended, those resurrected were to be priests of God and Christ. Who would also be given a reign with Christ for a 1000 years, as had the 1st group. And this is called "the 1st resurrection" with a total reign in heaven of not a 1000 years, but a reign of 2000 years. And this is called "The thousand years" and "the 1st resurrection." And it is AFTER that time we read; "And when THE thousand (the last 1000) years are completed, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison---." Here John brings us to "that time" as to when and how he would be loosed. We see that this occurred in Rev. 9-1-12 with the sounding of the fifth trumpet. "And the fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star from heaven fallen (lit. had fallen) to the earth; and there was given to him the key of the pit of the Abyss." That being the key that the angel held in his hand seen in Rev. 20-1-3, where he had bound Satan up for that duration of time; for 2000 years. And "then" God allows Satan to be loosed by the key given him to unlock the Abyss. To be loosed for a little season; to fulfill the prophecy given in Revelation and elsewhere in scripture. To fulfill God's Will, bringing about the coming of His Son Jesus Christ, and to destroy all evil, authority and dominion.

And then Satan "will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the battle (Rev. 16-16;19-19-21), the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." Here "Gog and Magog" represent the nations as a whole. Ezekiel chapters 38-39 records the war and cause of this gathering of nations for the battle of "the great day of God Almighty." The final outcome of the battle occurs in Rev. 19-19-21. "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night forever and ever." This verse is important to note, in that scripture makes clear that the Devil's destruction comes "after" all dominion, sin and death are conquered. And here we see that fulfillment, for Satan is cast into the lake of fire along with the beast and false prophet. And scripture clearly states that it then brings in "the eternal state," and not a 1000 year earthly reign with Christ living with, and ruling over sinful flesh. "Then cometh the end when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; When he shall have put down all rule, all authority and power. For he must reign (in heaven for that time of chap. 20), till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy (that) shall be destroyed is death" (1 Cor. 15-24-26). Sin and death in scripture is representative of the Devil, and this is the last enemy that's being spoken of here.

So we see that the destruction of the beast, false prophet, authority, dominion and Satan bring upon the great judgement; the Great White Throne, and not a millennium. No, no millennium, its over its done, and it is the time of judgment for all, as is seen in Rev. 11-14. "And I saw a great White Throne, and him that sat thereon, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and no place was found for them" (Rev. 20-11).

As was noted, the futurists who teach and preach these prophetic end-time teachings discussed here have a misunderstanding of the Old and New Testament, and are not scriptural in their foundation. Now we turn to the preterists concerning their teachings that proclaim that all or most of the prophecies were fulfilled in 70 A.D. Our question backed with the evidence of scripture given here concerning the book of Revelation and Ezekiel chapters 38-39, "Gog and Magog," as having been fulfilled in 70 A.D.: we ask them, how can this be? For as we have seen, scripture states in Revelation chapter 20, that Satan is to be bound in the Abyss UNTIL the time of the "1st resurrection" expires. He cannot fulfill the prophecy of Revelation, Ezekiel 38-39 and other related prophecies until then. That time being the heavenly reign with Christ, with the Old and New Testament saints that died for the testimony of Christ.* Which clearly is during the time of the church age after Christ's crucifixion. So whether one agrees here to a 1000 or 2000 years, the time certainly shows a minimum of a 1000 years before Satan can be loosed out of the Abyss seen in chapter 9 of Revelation to fulfill the prophecy. To fulfill the very prophecy that the preterists maintain was fulfilled in 70 A.D. Even holding to the position that "all" prophecy was fulfilled at that time. Scripture clearly shows this just cannot be. I leave it for the readers who seriously seek God's truth of scripture to decide.

In closing, the staff of Planetpreterist graciously published our article recently titled "An Apologetic on Babylon the Great of Revelation" on Nov. 12,06. And by the comments that was received on the article, it was made clear to us that we were not clear enough on "who" this "Mystery Babylon" was to be. Hopefully with this article, if it is accepted to be published, it makes clear who "Mystery Babylon" was to be and why "she" has different titles and descriptions given her.
God bless, Twospirits.

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The Great Debate: Who is the beast of Revelation?
(Submitted  Dec. 20,06).

In my recent articles, "An Apologetic on Babylon the Great of Revelation" (Nov. 12,06) and "An Apologetic on Dispensationalism" (Nov. 16,06) I found that the majority of the comments I received, concerned the topic of the beast of Revelation and Babylon the whore discussed in the articles. By these many comments on this topic, it became apparent to me that I did not present myself clearly enough on this issue. As we know volumes could be written on this subject alone, so it is impossible to compress it all in one short article. But hopefully, some things can be made clearer here on this important subject.

First it must be noted, if my understanding is correct, partial and full preterists see the beast of the sea of Revelation as being the Roman Empire. And Babylon, the woman, the harlot, the great city, as being Jerusalem "who rides this beast Rome" that turns on her and destroys her in 70 A.D. Whereas the futurists believe the beast of Revelation is yet to come. That the book of Revelation is a prophecy of things to come. That being said, in the hope of finding our answers, we will first turn to Daniel of God's Inspired Word of scripture. First, it must be noted here that scripture only speaks of kingdoms that at one time or another dominated over Israel in one way or another; though certainly other nations are mentioned that interacted with her. At the time that Daniel recieved the vision of the beasts, Egypt and Assyria were the two prior kingdoms who had dominated over Israel, with Babylon being the dominent kingdom in the time of Daniel.

In Dan. 7-1-7 we read that the 1st beast was compared to a lion having the wings of an eagle (V.4). The 2nd beast as like a bear (V.5). The 3rd beast resembled a leopard with 4 wings and 4 heads (V.6). The 4th beast was different from all the other beasts, and it had 10 horns (V. 7). Then in the following verse 8, we read that as Daniel was considering the horns, there then "came up among them another little horn, an 11th horn coming out from the 10 horns. "Before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots; and, behold, in this horn (were) eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things." It is here in Dan. 7-8 that this "little horn" coming forth from the 10 horns of the 4th beast believed to be Rome, is seen this final beast kingdom to come. This kingdom is seen in Dan. 2-41-43;7-8;8-11-14,26;9-27;11-36 to 12-13; Rev. 13-1-18;17-1-18;18-1-24.

The 4 beasts given in Daniel represent kingdoms "and" kings who would be "ruling" when the prophecy would come to fulfillment. Though certainly many kings can come in an on-going kingdom. The 1st kingdom which was like a lion and an eagle represented Babylon, its king being Nebuchadnezzar. The 2nd kingdom represented the Medo-Persian Empire seen in Dan. 8-20. Its ruler, king Darius (Dan. 5-31) which conquered Babylon in 539 B.C. (Daniel chapter 5). The 3rd kingdom represented Greece, its king Alexander (Dan. 8-21). When Alexander died in 323 B.C. the Empire was divided up among his 4 generals, represented by the "4 heads and 4 wings" seen on the beast leopard. Its kings and kingdoms divided into smaller kingdoms was; Lysimachus given Thrace and Bithynia. Cassander its king, was given Macedonia and Greece. Seleucus its king, was given Syria, Babylon and land to the east. And Ptolemy its king, was given Egypt, Palestine and Arabia Petrea. The 4th beast kingdom was not named, but most scholars see it was historically the Roman Empire. Officially its first sole ruler/king at the time was Julius Caesar, 100-44 B.C.

As noted, scripture only speaks specifically of "kingdoms and their kings" that at one time or another concerned Israel in one way or another. And here in Daniel it begins with the kingdom of Babylon and its king. Now taking the others not mentioned in Daniel into account, these would be: 1. Egypt, in the time of their captivity and Exodus. Since the king ruling at the time is unsure, he will be called "king Pharaoh" of the kingdom of Egypt. 2. The kingdom of Assyria, with its king at the time being king Shalmaneser V. Note that thus far in Daniel as the vision of the beasts and horns are mentioned, we see that the "horns" not only represent "kings" but "kingdoms" also when these prophecies would come to fulfillment. Therefore, the term "horns" spoken of in Daniel represent not only "kings" but "kingdoms" also, unless the texts speak otherwise.It is important at this time to bring the king/kingdoms mentioned in scripture forward here. 1. Egypt-king Pharaoh, 2. Assyria-king Shalmaneser V, 3. Babylon-king Nebuchadnezzar, 4. Medo-Persia-king Darius, 5. Greece-king Alexander the Great. The divided Greek kingdom, 6. Thrace and Bithynia-king Lysimachus, 7. Macedonia and Greece-king Cassander, 8. Syria and Babylon-king Seleucus, 9. Egypt, Palestine, Arabia Petrea-king Ptolemy, 10. The Roman Empire-king Julius Caesar.

Now here we see "ten horn king/kingdoms" brought forth, where only eight horn king/kingdoms can be seen in Daniel's vision. And it is here in Dan. 7-7 that we sit when Daniel sees the vision of the 4th beast "Rome" having 10 horns. These horns represent all the prior king and kingdoms as well as the king/kingdom of Rome. They are all under Rome's submission and dominion, here showing Rome being dominent. "---behold a fourth beast,---diverse (different) from all the beasts that (were) before it; and it had ten horns." And this was the kingdom of Rome seen coming out of the 4 horn king/kingdoms of Alexander's divided kingdom seen in Dan. 8-9-10. Where the final beast kingdom to come would come forth "from Rome", the "little horn" having dominion over all the earth, seen in Dan. 7-8.

In Dan. 7-15-16, Daniel not understanding the vision asked one standing by the meaning of the vision. Daniel was told in verses 17-18 that these 4 beasts are 4 kingdoms that would arise from the earth. In verses 19-20, Daniel wanted to know the meaning of the 4th beast which was different from all the others. And about the 10 horns on its head, and about the other little horn that came up from the others. Daniel is given this explanation in Dan. 7-23-28. We note here that this was "prophecy" yet to be fulfilled concerning these 10 horn king/kingdoms that "shall arise" that would be seen upon the 4th beast Rome. And these 10 horn king/kingdoms would be the kings of the kingdoms listed above. The 10 kings and kingdoms that would include Rome when that fulfillment would come. The 10 horns are said to be "kings" here in verse 24, yes, of "kingdoms" to the time of  and including Rome. Then we are given the prophecy of the final kingdom to come, "after Rome," the kingdom of the feet and ten toes, the divided kingdom (Dan. 2-41-43). The one spoken of in Dan. 7-8,20,21 and here in verses 24-25 and etc. "And the ten horns out of this kingdom (Rome are) ten kings (king/kingdoms that) shall arise; and another* shall rise after them;---." This "other" is the little horn king/kingdom seen in Dan. 7-8,20,21 being spoken of here in these verses. "---and he shall be diverse (different) from the first (king/kingdom), and he shall subdue three kings (king/kingdoms). And he shall speak great words against the Most High, and shall wear out (persecute) the saints of the Most High, and think to change times and laws; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time" (Dan. 12-7,11,12; Rev. 11-2-3;13-5).

So thus far we have seen that in following the texts closely, we can determine the proper meaning of what the horns are to represent. They are seen as kings "and" kingdoms. Where this understanding is vital to the proper meaning of what the texts speak of concerning these prophecies given us in such a way.

In continuing in Dan. 8-9-12, we read; "And out of one of them," here it is out from the 4 divided Greek horn king/kingdoms. And like the other horns, this "little horn" represents a king/kingdom also. So here we can see that this little horn king/kingdom comes out from the 4 existing kingdoms. This "little horn" is not a "king" believed to be Antiochus Epiphanes IV, nor is he the "little horn" seen in Dan. 7-8. This is a "king/kingdom" growing out from among the 4 existing kingdoms that were established at that time. Which "waxed ( grew) exceeding great toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land." As noted, most see this "little horn" in Dan. 7-8 and here in 8-9-12 as being Antiochus Epiphanes fulfilling this prophecy in history, but he was not. He fulfilled the prophecy of Dan. 11-21-35 given there in history, but that is all.

The ram, the Medo-Persian Empire went largely "to the west" and not "to the east" in its conquests of territory and dominion. The goat, Greece, on the other hand came "from the west" attacking the Middle East. Alexander's conquests were always "east" of Greece. However the "little horn king/kingdom" in Dan. 8-9 began its power to "the south" and  "to the east" and toward the pleasant land, that being further east, the holy land. Therefore this indicates that the little horn king/kingdom would lie somewhere "north and west" of the areas it would come against. Antiochus Epiphanes' kingdom lay north and "east", not "west" of the areas he would come against seen in history. His kingdom lay "northeast" in Syria, and he attacked to the "south" and "west", and not to the "south" and "east."

Also there is a distinction between the "little horn" mentioned here in Dan. 8-9 and the "little horn" of Dan. 7-8. In Dan. 7-8 we see the "little horn" coming "out of" the "4th beast kingdom." Although not mentioned, most agree this 4th beast kingdom to be Rome. So here we have a great problem. How can the little horn king/kingdom in Dan. 7-8 be Antiochus Epiphanes where he is seen to come out of the divided "3rd kingdom of Greece", and not the 4th kingdom said to be Rome? So we ask, how can the little horn king/kingdom in Dan. 7-8 AND in Dan. 8-9 be Antiochus Epiphanes believed to be the one who fulfilled "this prophecy"? Scripture shows us that this cannot be. He is neither the "little horn" in Dan. 7-8 nor is he the "little horn" in Dan. 8-9. Antiochus Epiphanes came out of the divided kingdom of the 3rd beast kingdom of Greece.

When reading Dan. 8-19-22 we see Gabriel's interpretation fulfilled and confirmed in history. We see these verses referred to Medo-Persia and Greece. But the passage of Dan. 8-23-26 have been the subject of different opinions and interpretations. Some see it as being fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes, while others hold to a future fulfillment by the final coming beast kingdom. Daniel was told in 8-17 that the vision of chapter 8 concerns the distant future. "For at the time of the end (shall be) the vision."

Jesus points us to this very prophecy in Matthew 24 concerning the end time. He said, "When you see the abomination spoken of in Daniel---." This was said by Jesus nearly 200 years "after" the events of Antiochus Epiphanes. By these very words Jesus is confirming that the prophecy "had yet to be fulfilled." So Jesus confirms to us by this passage that though some, or many, may believe that Epiphanes completed this prophecy, the little horn of Dan. 7-8 and 8-9 are in error. If we are to believe Jesus' word, the word of God, then we can believe that this passage in Daniel has yet to reach its fulfillment, among the other reasons given here.

The final vision given to Daniel was recorded in Daniel chapters 10-12. What is recorded in Dan. 11-2-35 are the major events, with the major rulers of the Persian Empire and from there continuing to the major events of the Alexandrian period, ending with the prophecy many agree to be Antiochus Epiphanes from 175-164 B.C. All said as having been fulfilled in history by these rulers and events. Antiochus Epiphanes IV appears in Dan. 11-21-35. The attempt of Antiochus to destroy the Jewish religion was described by Daniel in these passages. We read in verse 35, "Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time." The reference to "the time of the end" referred to the remaining prophecy beginning in verse 36 to 45. And this was not the fulfillment of the reign of Epiphanes as many believe. Antiochus, as history records, died shortly after fulfilling Dan. 11-21-35 in the year 164 B.C. He did not fulfill any of the events described in these verses of Dan. 11-36-45.

When Antiochus Epiphanes IV became king, he was but another king of the prior 4 established kingdoms that were divided up from the Greek kingdom of Alexander. Now we have seen that when we strictly follow the order of direction given as the "little horn" grew in power, among other evidence given here; we see it does not fit the activities taken by Antiochus Epiphanes. The evidence given here tells us that the "little horn king/kingdom" given in Dan. 7-7 and 8-9 is Rome.

In the 6th century B.C. the city of Rome was just a small fortress town in central Italy, but in a short time would begin to expand her territories. Here this represents "the little horn" in this text of Dan. 8-9 that started "small" but would grow in power toward the "south." After Alexander's death in 323 B.C., his 4 generals struggled for control of his Empire. Cassander gained control of Greece and Macedonia. Lysimachus ruled Thrace and a large part of Asia Minor. Seleucus, Syria, Babylon and much of the Middle East (all of Asia except Asia Minor and Palestine). Ptolemy controlled Rgypt and Palestine. About 275 B.C. after years of warfare, the Empire had been carved into "three large kingdoms" ruled by the descendants of these general/kings.

During those times, the Romans had expanded their territories in the Italian peninsula as far "south" as the city-states of the Greek kingdom. The Greek kingdom given to Cassander of Greece and Macedonia in western Europe. In the following years (264-201 B.C.) Rome fought a series of long wars with Carthage. The Romans finally defeated them in 202 B.C. Rome now had dominance as far "south" as Carthage and beyond in North Africa. After adding Spain in the north to her conquests, Rome then turned "toward the east". To the "east" of Rome lay Thrace, Macedonia, Greece and her city-states.

After Antiochus became ruler in 169 B.C., in 168 B.C. Antiochus invaded Egypt for a second time but was not successful. The Roman fleet had come to Alexandria at the request of the Ptolemies (Dan. 11-30). In that year the Romans won a victory over Macedonia who lay east of Rome, expanding her territories to "the east." By 146 B.C. Macedonia was officially made a province of the Roman Empire. Thus expanding her territories "to the east" as the context of Dan. 8-9 reveals. At this time Rome had gained power and dominance to the "south" and to "the east" as far as the Mediterranean Sea. Where further east lay the Middle East, where the pleasant land lay.

By 129 B.C. Rome created the province of Asia, where it then embarked on further expansion in the Middle East of Asia Minor. By 49 B.C. Rome's rule extended far beyond the Mediterranean basin. At this time we see Rome, the "little horn" fulfilling the prophecy seen in Dan. 7-7 and 8-9. It is here we read, "Out of one of them (the divided Greek kingdom) came another horn (the kingdom of Rome), which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the pleasant land." During the 1st century A.D., much of England and Whales was added, and during the 2nd century Romania also. "It grew until it reached the host of the heavens,---." (Dan. 8-10). The reference given here is it grew as far  north as England and beyond from which would come the Lord's host, his saints. And from there would come the final kingdom of the feet of ten toes made of iron and clay; the divided kingdom seen in Dan. 7-7-8,20,21,23-25;8-11-14;9-27;11-36 to 12-13. And this final kingdom would fulfill the prophecy of the book of Revelation. This kingdom being the beast of the sea and the beast of the earth seen in Rev. 13-1-18.

When the birth of Christianity came through our Lord Jesus Christ, Christianity spread quickly throughout the Roman Empire in spite of persecution. By the 4th century Christianity had become the state religion of the entire Roman Empire from England to Asia. Christianity became an organized church with a hierachy closely identified with the Roman Empire, with great power in governmental and civil matters. From the 11th century on Christendom ruled from the church of Rome and extended over the entire continent. From Iceland to Italy and from Sweden to Spain. By the time of the 17th century most rulers were convinced that the key to stable government was control of both religion and politics. But this only caused chaos and wars throughout Europe. This brought about the "Age of Revolutions" (1776-1848). The age of Revolution that brought about the birth of the United States.This is the history of the "little horn", the kingdom of Rome, the iron legs, the "Holy Roman Empire" who would fulfill the prophecy of Dan. 8-9-10a. Daniel 8-10b-14 and other scriptures, relate to the final kingdom of the feet and ten toes of iron and clay, the divided kingdom who would come forth and fulfill their part of the prophecy; "in the latter part of its reign." The kingdom that would come from the iron legs of the Holy Roman Empire, from England and various parts of Europe and elsewhere of the Roman Empire's kingdom.

Going to Rev. 17-7 we read, "I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns." The angel then begins to explain further in Rev. 17-9-10a what the heads represent. "The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth. And they are seven kings;---." We see here that the 7 mountains "are" or are to "represent" 7 kings. So we see these mountains are "not" to mean heaps of earth or rocks, but "kings." The word "mountain", Greek "oros" is often used as a figure for a "kingdom." For example it is used of ancient Babylon in Jer. 51-25, and of Christ's kingdom in Dan. 2-35. So we see here the "7heads" are to represent "7 kings" and "7 mountains," and these mountains represent "kingdoms," and not literal earth and rocks. The representation given here is that the heads represent king/kingdoms.
Continuing with verse 10,"--five are fallen, and one is, (and) the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space " (time).

Now that we can see these are to represent 7 king/kingdoms, we can know who the five that had fallen are and the one who "is" at the time of John's revelation. These would be; 1. Egypt, 2. Assyria, 3. Babylon, 4. Medo-Persia, 5. Greece, 6. Rome. And the 7th, the one to come is seen in Rev. 13-1-10, the beast of the sea. The preterists that hold that the seven  hill/mountains are literal "hill/mounts" on which the woman sits, which they claim is Jerusalem are in error. They also take these seven hill/mounts to represent Rome (???). Now the question is, they are also said to represent "kings," human kings. How can a "city" they say to be Jerusalem "sit on" seven kings? They cannot literalize one (hills) and spiritualize the other (kings), as the text clearly shows. Though much more could be said, I leave it at that.

We read in Rev. 17-11, "And the beast* that was,---." Now clearly we see here that this word "beast" refers to a king/kingdom." ---and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven,---." So here we see this beast king/kingdom that was and is not, "he" the beast king/kingdom is the eighth. To mean he is the 7th and 8th also. He is the 7th and 8th beast king/kingdom to come, "--and will go into perdition" (destruction). This 7th and 8th beast kingdom, seen as being  one, "he" the beast in this verse, is the beast of the sea and the beast of the earth seen in Rev. 13-1-18. Now how can Rome be this 7/8th beast king/kingdom that fulfilled the prophecy of Revelation in 70 A.D.? We have seen in scripture from Exodus on to the time of Rome only 6 king/kingdoms concerning Israel/Jerusalem had come against her. If Rome was the fulfillment of the prophecies given us in the book of Revelation as preterists claim, then the scriptures are in error. For they speak of yet a 7/8th kingdom to come. I for one stand by God's Inspired Word.

This 7th kingdom, the beast of the sea is political, the 8th kingdom, the beast of the earth called the false prophet in Rev. 16-13, also "exerciseth all the power of the first beast " (Rev. 13-12). The beast kingdom of the sea and of the earth is political and religious in its nature and makeup, are a part of each other and seen as one here in Rev. 17-11. Thus the different descriptions given it, a "beast," a "false prophet" (Rev. 16-13), the "great city", the "great whore" that sits upon many waters (17-1). The "woman" who sits upon the beast (17-7). "Mystery Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth." The "woman which thou sawest is that great city, which has a kingdom* over the kings of the earth" (17-18).

In my article, "An Apologetic on Dispensationalism" (Nov. 16,06), I gave scriptural evidence that rejects the teaching of a 1000 year earthly reign. In that article I also rejected the preterist view as Rome being the fulfillment of prophecy in 70 A.D. with the city of Jerusalem's destruction and etc. It was asked in the article, "--concerning the book of Revelation and Ezekiel chapters 38-39, "Gog and Magog," how could this have been fulfilled in 70 A.D.? For scripture states in Revelation chapter 20 that Satan is to be bound in the Abyss "until" the time of the "1st resurrection" expires. He cannot fulfill the prophecy of Revelation, Ezekiel chapters 38-39 and other prophecies related, until then. That being the time of the heavenly reign of Christ with Old and New Testament saints that died for the testimony of God and Christ. Clearly showing this time to be during the time of the church age. So whether one agrees here to a 1000 or 2000 year heavenly reign, Satan cannot be loosed out of the Abyss to fulfill the prophecy. Yet that  loosing is seen in chapter 9 of Revelation in order to fulfill the prophecy. To fulfill the very prophecy that the preterists maintain was fulfilled in 70 A.D. Scripture clearly shows this cannot be."

I closed then as I close now, I leave it for the readers who seriously seek God's Truth of scripture to decide. And again I wish to thank Planetpreterist for allowing my articles to be presented to the viewing audience in the search for God's Truth.

God bless, Twospirits.

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Looking to Revelation: Written before or after 70A.D.?

Christian preterists in the body of Christ maintain that all of the New Testament books were written prior to 70 A.D., including the book of Revelation. (A note here; personally I have come to greatly dislike "labels and titles" used in the body of Christ. They come across as so anti-brotherly and disconnected from Christ's body of which we are "all members"). This is essential to their doctrine because if prophetic texts such as Revelation were written after 70 A.D., they could no longer assert that prophecies concerning these things seen in Revelation took place in 70 A.D. As a proof the Christian preterists maintain that "you" (ye) can and does only refer to Jesus' immediate physical audience specifically the apostles seen in the Olivet Discourse which speaks of coming prophecies. So they see the generation that "shall not pass" is the generation of the apostles. More will be said on this further on, but here I would first like to give a list on the dates of the New Testament epistles most (not all) scholars agree to. Concluded by their research of the historical, internal and external evidence of the scriptures.

Matthew and Mark-late 40's to early 50's A.D.
Luke-late 50's A.D. In Acts 1-1 Luke implies that he wrote his gospel prior to writing Acts. The book of Acts ends with Paul in prison about 62 A.D.
John-late 70's-80's A.D. Most scholars agree that John's gospel was written while John was at Ephesus in the 80's A.D. Others hold the writing to be in the late 70's A.D.
Acts-about 62 A.D. (see above).
Romans- Romans was written between 56-58 A.D. from Corinth during Paul's 3rd missionary journey.
1-2 Cor.-In 1 Cor. 16-8,19, Paul indicates he's writing from Ephesus. This time would be 55 A.D. Where shortly after he wrote 2 Cor., making 1-2 Cor. as being written in 55-56 A.D.
Galatians and Ephesians-mid 50's A.D.
Philippeans and Colossians-60-61 A.D.
1-2 Thess.-51-52 A.D.
1 Tim.-62-63 A.D.--2 Tim.-67 A.D.
Titus-66-67 A.D. In May or June of 68 A.D., Paul was beheaded in Rome. Making the letters of Titus and 2 Timothy his last writings.
Philemon-60-63 A.D.
Hebrews-64-69 A.D.
James 45-48 A.D.
1-2 Peter-64-67 A.D.
1-2-3 John-Most scholars date these writings in the 80's-90's A.D. While others in the late 70's-90's A.D. Written during the time that John was in Ephesus, where he also wrote the Gospel of John (late 70's-80's A.D.).
Jude-early 70's-80 A.D.
Revelation-mid 90's A.D.

Concerning the date of Revelation, among other reliable sources that could be given here, I will give some notes from "Godet's Bible Studies," that agree with other sources. There he gives internal evidence to corroborate the date of Revelation. Godet quotes: "The condition of the churches indicated in the 2nd and 3rd chapters of Revelation render the early date improbable. These churches were not founded before 55-58 A.D. Paul wrote to two of these churches, Ephesus and Colosse in the 50's and 61 A.D. Peter wrote to all the churches of that region several years later also. Paul wrote his second letter to Timothy at Ephesus in 67 A.D. shortly before his death. In these letters there is no hint of John being in that section of the world, or of the spiritual decay revealed in the letters to the angels of the churches of Ephesus, Sardis and Laodicea, yet this theory (early date) requires us to believe that not later than 68-69 A.D. John found these churches spiritually dead. The 2nd and 3rd chapters of Revelation describe a condition which could only have arisen a generation later than the date of Paul's intercourse with these churches." (End quote).

Godet goes on and notes the fact that a church organization reveals itself in the 7 churches which did not come forth until about the close of the 1st century. In each church there is one man, "the angel of the church," through whom the whole church is addressed. There is no hint of any individual enjoying a distinction like this until about the beginning of the 2nd century. He notes the expression, "The Lord's Day" does not occur in the earlier apostolitical writings. They always speak of the "first day of the week," but the writers of the 2nd century from the beginning use "the Lord's day." This term says Godet, then points to a period near the beginning of the 2nd century as being the date of Revelation. He notes that the expressions in chapters 2-9 and 3-9 point to a complete separation between the church and the Jewish synagogue. This complete separation did not take place until the destruction of Jerusalem was completed in 70 A.D. He notes "therefore we see by this language of Rev. 2-9 and 3-9 that Revelation belongs to a later date beyond 70 A.D."

He further notes that we also know historically that the persecution of Nero was local and confined to Rome. And that death instead of banishment was the favorite method of punishment by Nero. So it is not probable that he would have "put to death" Paul and Peter and "banished" John. And there is no evidence that John as early as A.D. 68 ever visited the region of the seven churches in Asia. On the other hand, the persecution of Domitian was not local, and we know historically that he sent other Christians into exile. And we also know that the later years of John's life were in Ephesus and its regions. (End of Godet's notes).

Another reason for the late date set by scholars is from Irenaeous' works "Against Heresies," written in the mid to later 100's A.D. Irenaeous states there, "For that was seen no very long time since, but almost in our day, towards the end of Domitian's reign." Domitian reigned from 81-96 A.D., so if John wrote near the end of his reign, that would place the writing of Revelation somewhere in the 90's A.D. and no earlier.

Christian preterists attempt to get around this interpretation "for that was seen" by asserting that it was "John" that was seen toward the end of Domitian's reign, and not John's "vision." If this be so, why would Irenaeous use the word "that" rather than "John"? Would not Irenaeous write "for John was seen" to indicate "a person" rather than "that" which speaks of a "thing" or "object"? Irenaeous' writings show us that his use of lanquage was quite adequate. It was the "vision" that John saw that Irenaeous speaks of in his writing.

Besides Revelation, as noted, many scholars hold that the gospel of John was written while John was at Ephesus in the 80's A.D. Some see it to be written in the late 70's A.D. And most scholars date the writings of John 1-2-3 as being written in the 80's-90's A.D., where thereafter Revelation was written. Jude is another book that scholars date as being written no earlier than in the 70's A.D. So we see besides Revelation we have the gospel of John, John 1-2-3 and Jude, five books that many scholars see as having been written after the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. And none speak that the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was the fulfillment of "all prophecy" spoken of in scripture by these very apostles who would complete the Inspired scriptures given them by the Lord. Rather in these books, they speak of the prophecies as yet future. A final note concerning the Christian preterist claim of a pre-date 70 A.D. writing of Revelation comes from Polycarp's writings. Polycarp who was the bishop of Smyrna recorded that no church in Smyrna existed during the ministry of Paul, and we know that Paul died in May or June of A.D. 68.

Returning now to the issue noted earlier of the Christian preterists maintaining that "you" can and does only refer to Jesus' immediate physical audience, specifically the apostles seen in the Olivet Discourse which speaks of coming prophecies. That the generation that "shall not pass" is the generation of the apostles. The problem here is that they fail to understand a simple principle seen in scripture with regard to prophetic passages. This biblical principle occurs in prophetic passages by which God speaks to an immediate physical audience such as the apostles or the Israelites of Moses' day for example, but is actually addressing "future unborn generations" as to their final fulfillment.

This principle in scripture is seen from the very onset when Moses received the word of God and proclaimed it to the Israelites. The Israelites understood that the words proclaimed to them "also applied" to their children in every age, and not just "their generation." Let's take a look at a prophecy given by Moses that shows this principle of scripture writing from the very start. Deut. 18-14, "For these nations which thou shalt possess---. (v.15) The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee* a prophet from the midst of thee*, of thy brethren---.(v.18) I will raise them up a prophet from among thy brethren---and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. (v.19) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require of him."

Like the Olivet Discourse, there's no indication from the context or grammar that Moses is switching who his statement applies to in this passage. The "you" is applied to uniformly and is clear that this generation Moses is speaking to is the generation to whom Moses said "God will raise up unto you a prophet." Unto who? Unto the Israelites he is speaking to, those who were about to enter the Promised Land. It's clear from Acts 3-19-26 and 7-37 that Moses' prophecy of "the prophet like himself" did not come to pass for well over 1400 years when Jesus was born and came ministering to the people of Israel.

It is this same principle of language that Jesus employed in his instructions and prophecies that the Christian preterists ignore to deduce in their conclusions. So their conclusions become flawed. So when we reread such passages as Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, we clearly see that the "you" Jesus is speaking to is defined by whichever generation would be around "when these things come to pass." It is not confined to the apostles and disciples of that day, anymore than Moses' prophecy was confined to the generation of Israelites who were his initial audience of whom the proclamation was given.

Christian preterists give further proof that prophecy was fulfilled by 70 A.D. by turning to the historical record of Josephus. Josephus recorded the besieging of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple in 70 A.D. Even Josephus, a secular source records Jesus' "first coming," but not a "second coming" in any form as our brother preterists claim when turning to Josephus' writings. Also, where is the testimony of the believing community of that day to prove those claims? Imagine an event so significant as the return of Jesus Christ without "a single Christian writing" as a witness to it from that 1st century (70 A.D.) on. Even we record daily events far less significant than that in the media. All of the writings we have from the gospels to the epistles, to the non-canonical works of 1st, 2nd and 3rd century orthodox Christians perpetuate a futurist perspective that the second coming of Christ, the Revelation of John and prophecies related; the resurrection of the dead, the gathering of the elect, had not happened yet in their day.
All these words on this topic are uniform, and all of them placing these events in the future, from the 1st of them, the apostles, the early church fathers to the last. From these early church Christian writers from Polycarp to Ignatius who wrote after 70 A.D., all the way to Irenaeous who lived into the early 3rd century A.D. In all their teachings concerning "the beast prophecy and the second coming of Christ," not once do they mention that these things had already happened. But always places these events in the future, as did the apostles who wrote the New Testament under the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus speaking of the tribulation in Matt. 24-22 says; "And except those days should be shortened there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." What is meant by "flesh" in this verse, "no flesh would have been saved"? This word translated "flesh" is the Greek "sarx." The Greek is "pasa sarx" to mean "all flesh," all life, a term that refers to all humanity. The words "all flesh" are used in Matt. 24-22; Mark 13-20; Luke 3-6; John 17-2; Acts 2-17; Romans 3-20; 1 Cor. 1-29;15-39; Gal. 2-16; 1 Peter 1-24. In every case except 1 Cor. 15-39 where Paul uses the term to include animal life, the expression describes "all humans." So we see that "pasa sarx" is to mean every person, everyone with no exceptions. This expression comes from the Septuagint, the Hebrew "kol basar," to mean "all flesh." All living creatures, all men, the whole human race. So to interpret "all flesh" in Matt. 24-22 and Mark 13-20 as referring to just the Jews living in Judea in 70 A.D. as the Christian preterists do, is to limit and misuse the term's proper meaning. "All flesh" clearly describes all humanity.

In Luke 21-35, when speaking concerning "that day" given in verse 34, "that day---will come on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth" *(Greek, "tes ges). Here the meaning is clear, it is the "entire earth," and not just a specific land area in the world. Looking to the parable in Matthew 13, we see here the "field" is the "world" (Greek, kosmos), the entire world. But Luke 4-5 uses the word "oikoumene" to mean "the whole world." In Luke 21-25, the word "earth" is "ge". In each case to mean the whole earth. So it is in Matt. 24-30, the word "earth" is "ge". In Matt. 24-26, there he uses the Greek word "earth"-"oikoumene." The context indicates that "ge" and "oikoumene" was intended to convey in the strictest sense "the entire earth." So we see the words were being used interchangeably in the same context.

Rev. 3-10 is another passage among others in the New Testament that use both "earth" (ges) and "world" (oikoumene). Here Jesus states that an "hour of temptation" was coming upon the whole world (oikoumene) to try those who dwell on the earth (ges). Using earth interchangeably with world indicate that both words were to be understood in that sense. We read in Rev. 12-9, "---Satan, which deceiveth the whole world*, he was cast out into the earth (gen)---." In verse 12, a woe "for the earth (gen) and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you." Here again, the word for earth is "gen," the entire earth. Using "earth" and "sea" together indicates that this speaks of the entire world which consists of the land and the sea. This is not speaking of a restricted area of earth/land neither in Jerusalem or the Roman Empire as the Christian preterist doctrines hold to. Did Satan just deceive those in the Roman Empire or "the whole world"? The context shows that "oikoumene" in Luke 4-5; Acts 17-31; Hebrews 1-6;2-5; Rev. 3-10;12-9 and 16-14 signifies "the whole world."

In Matt. 24-30 we read; "---all the tribes of the earth" (ge). The Greek word "ge" is to mean the entire world. When "ge" is used in the limited sense, it is used in the limited sense of land within a specified region given in the text. A few examples are; Matt. 11-24, "land (ge) of Sodom"; John 3-22, "land (gen) of Judea." Hebrews 8-8-9, "land (ges) of Egypt"; Matt. 14-34, "land (gen) of Gennesaret"; Acts 13-17-19, "in the land (ge) of Egypt---in the land (ge) of Canaan." The contexts throughout the New Testament determined when "ge" was being used in the sense of the entire earth or a specific land area. Rev. 1-7 reads, "all the tribes of the earth" (ai phulai tes ges) will mourn because of him." Here the word "phulai" means "tribes" and "ges" means "earth," the entire world/earth.

Christian preterists maintain that the word "tribes" seen in Matt. 24-30 and Rev. 1-7 refer only to Israel, the tribes of Israel, and not the tribes of the world. The Greek word for "tribe" is "phule", the Septuagint also used "phule", but also in reference to "non-Hebriac tribes and nations." To give here a few examples; Gen. 12-3, "---and in thee shall all the tribes of the earth (phulai tes ges) be blessed." This is also seen in Gen. 28-14 when the promise was given to Jacob. "---in thee and thy seed shall all the tribes of the earth (phulai tes ges) be blessed." These tribes of the earth are seen in Ezek. 20-32; "---we will be as the nations, and as the tribes of the earth (phulai tes ges) to worship stocks and stones." So we can know that the tribes in Matt. 19-18 referred only to the 12 tribes of Israel because the text says so, but there is no such "qualifier" in Matt. 24-30 and Rev. 1-7. Just as there is no qualifier of the word "ges" (earth) with "of Judea" or "of Jerusalem" to show that Jesus meant for "ges" (earth) to refer only to the region around Jerusalem. Christian preterists then must point us to "linguistic reasons" in the context of the statement to support their claims.

Turning to the "time texts" Christian preterists point to in helping to support their doctrine. In using these references they point to Rev. 1-1 "---things which must shortly* come to pass---." Rev. 1-3, "---the time is at hand*." Rev. 3-11, "--I am coming quickly;*--." Rev. 22-6-7, "---things which must come to pass shortly.*---behold, I am coming quickly;*---." Rev. 22-10, "---the time is at hand.*" Rev. 22-12, "Behold, I am coming quickly*;---." Rev. 22-20, "---Yea, I am coming quickly.*" They hold these time frame references as teaching it requires, necessitates and demands a 1st century fulfillment. The Greek word "tachu" is to mean "swiftly" or "quickly" as in speed, not as in time as they translate the word. The Greek "en tachei" is to literally mean (en) "in" (tachei) "speed". It is not to mean "soon" or "shortly" as the word is sometimes translated which indicates "time", but rather to come "in speed,"---"swiftly, quickly." In reading Rev. 1-1, it literally and should read, "---things (the prophetic events in the book) which must "in speed" (en tachei) come to pass;---." In Rev. 22-7, it literally and should read, "Behold, I come quickly "(tachu--swiftly, in speed);---." We see by the wording used here in Rev. 1-1;22-6-7 and 3-11;22-20, its not referring to something happening "soon " or "shortly" as in "time". The wording refers rather to "the rate of speed" in which these series of events given in Revelation and Christ's coming would occur "when" they would come to pass.

We read in Romans 16-20, "But the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly*---." The word "shortly" used here is the Greek "tachos" which means "speed", not "shortly" as translated. It is the same word used in Rev. 1-1 and 22-6, "things which must shortly* come to pass." Where it should read "must "swiftly" or "speedily" come to pass," whenever they would occur, as we see in Romans 16-20. For Satan has yet to receive his final crushing blow, even though it has been nearly 2000 years since Paul wrote that this would take place. The very last words of Jesus verifies the "tachos" meaning of the word. "Surely I come quickly (tachu, swiftly, in speed)." (Rev. 22-20).

Luke 21-24 tells us that the Jews would be led away into all nations from the time of Jerusalem's fall, and Jerusalem would be trampled down "until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled." Luke 21-25-28 goes on to say that until the time of the Gentiles be fulfilled, there shall be signs in the heavens and earth, and a distress of men and nations in those times. "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption ( not judgment) draweth nigh." Continuing in Luke 21-31-36, "So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled." Not the generation of the 1st century, but as the context shows, the generation that shall exist when "the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled," as the general signs given occur in greater frequency. It is in those times of "that generation" that sees these things being fulfilled that Luke 21-34-36 speaks to. "And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them  (all humans) that dwell on the face of the whole earth" (tes ges). This verse is clear, it speaks of these things coming on the entire earth, and not just a specific land area and peoples of Jerusalem and the Roman Empire. "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

In closing, the Greek word "parousia" means "presence." And the Greek word "erchomenon" is to mean "a literal presence" of a person or thing. This word "erchomenon" is seen in Matt. 24-30; Mark 13-26 and Luke 21-27, and as noted is to mean a literal presence. Every time Jesus is said to come "with clouds" in glory and power in the gospels and people "see" him, the word "erchomenon" is used. The Greek word "parousia" (coming or presence) is given in Matt. 24-3,27,37,39. Where the Greek word "erchomai" (literal presence) is given in Matt. 24-30,42,43,44. Both words given in these verses are seen as being interchangeable. That is they speak of not only his "coming presence", but at its fulfillment, his "literal all-eye seeing presence." This certainly did not happen in 70 A.D. as Christian preterists claim. We see that these verses speak of not a 70 A.D. fulfillment, but a future fulfillment concerning these events that lead to the 2nd coming of Christ.

Christian preterists strongly hold to textual time statements given in scripture, but not so with the 1000 years time statement of Revelation chapter 20. There they view it or spiritualize it as representing a time frame of about 40 years from the crucifixion of Christ to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. But this is totally contrary to their view of scripture time texts they strongly hold to. The text they use in their defense of this 1000 years time text is Romans 16-20. "The God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.*" They take this word "shortly" as a time text, but as noted, the word is "tachos" and is to mean "quickly, swiftly, speedily, when " that time would come to its fulfillment.

When looking to the text of Revelation chapter 20 that speak of the 1000 years, contrary to those who would "spiritualize" this time as other than literal are in error. For the text shows it to be a clearly defined period of time of a literal numerical value. We see that there are specific events described as taking place at the beginning of the 1000 years. And there are specific events described as taking place at the end of the 1000 years of all those resurrected. Therefore it is clearly seen as a quantity of time marked with a beginning and marked with an end.

God bless, Twospirits.

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Jesus' Coming in Clouds and the Resurrection of the dead.

Some of the doctrines concerning the spiritual aspects spoken of in scripture that the Christian preterists hold to are correct, but they fail to take in the literal fulfillment aspects also seen in the scriptures. So we need to look at a few of these issues.

Cloud Comings and Cosmic Activity in Scripture.

Christian preterists insist that time frame references are always literal (except Rev. chap. 20-the 1000 years) while cosmic content is figurative with a limited purpose to express God's judgments on specific nations in the past. But there is a problem they create for themselves when they reduce "all biblical predictions of cosmic activity to earthly national judgment events." They say the prophets used "cosmic catastrophic language" to describe military and political activity involving Israel or the church and the surrounding nations. Christ's return "in the clouds" is also understood of a prophetic form of an invisible divine judgment visitation.

The apostles actually saw Jesus ascend into a cloud and were told that he would return in like manner as he was seen going (Acts 1-9-11). They equate this description of this physical experience the apostles had with "poetic passages" in the Old Testament of such verbal images as God "riding" on a cloud or making clouds his "chariot." Similarly, the literal universal flood of Noah's day is made a parallel to a non-literal universal fire at "the Day of the Lord." Peter tells us that "both" the flood and the fire bring the world's destruction (2 Peter 3-5-7,10-13). Yet they understand this destruction to mean "the end of the Old Covenant age" by the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. To carry forward God's purpose in the new order (new heavens and earth; Rev. 21-22) centered in the church and exclusion of Israel.

According to Christian preterist doctrine, which speaks of "cloud coming imagery" illustrated in the Old Testament, it was standard prophetic form to write of the Lord's coming in or on a cloud, or clouds to bring about the fall of a nation. Predicted by the prophets that included "sun and moon darkened, fire, stars falling, sky rolling up, heavens dissolving away, earth moving, shaking, etc." They hold that none of these acts of God were universe destroying or time ending events. They give an extensive list of scripture passages to back up their belief in this long and well established biblical precedent as being earthly national judgments of a "non-literal coming of the Lord in the clouds accompanied by a non-literal time ending catastrophe."

Yet not one prophet "used cosmic, catastrophic, collapsing universe language to announce the fall of nations" in the historical past. By bundling together many such references it creates the "impression" that a standard prophetic form exists where it does not. Sometimes prophets wrote of earthquakes, darkness, or cosmic affects that are seen as limited and temporal in scope. The prophets did not convey a final cosmic catastrophe in those cases. Predictive prophecy includes language that seems to spell the complete upheaval of the natural order. Language of a "collapsing universe" that the prophets speak of is a judgment that targets "the whole world and all nations," not some specific nation in the past. It is important to pay attention to the literary form whether or not we're reading "predictive prophecy" in a particular case makes all the difference. If there are common patterns of expression in prophetic passages, we look to find them "in prophetic passages" not somewhere else.

Taking a look at some of the "cloud coming" texts they use to support their doctrine: Looking to Isaiah 19-1, here God is coming on a cloud to judge the nation of Egypt, but he is "riding" the cloud, and the cloud is a swift one. And Egypt is depicted as having a "heart that will melt" as the Lord "swiftly" dashes over her borders. We see in this text that the Lord does not come "in" the cloud to bring judgment, but rather "rides" on the cloud.
Psalms 18-9-12, again we see here that God does not come in or on a cloud in the poem, but he is riding on a "cherub" and on the "wings of the wind." The clouds that are mentioned are thick and dark in order to "conceal" him and not "reveal" him. This text they use contrasts sharply with the Lord's ascension in the cloud in Acts chapter one. In reading Psalm 68-4, we see that God is not coming in judgment against nations, rather it is a statement "of praises" with no reference to enemies, battles or judgments. "The Lord rides on the clouds" is a reference to his might and sovereignty over nature.

Psalm 104-3-4 announces God's greatness over the world he created. He "makes the clouds his chariot," and the Lord "walks" rather than "rides" as in Psalm 18 "on the wings of the wind." The Lord coming or appearing in order "to judge" is not in view in this text. Another text they use is Dan. 7-13, of their cloud coming theory. But the coming here does not lead to "the judgment and fall of a nation" (Jerusalem's fall in 70 A.D.). This is the Old Covenant reference to the "Son of man" title that Jesus used of himself over and over again. It is the reference to "the Son of man coming with the clouds" of Jesus' pronouncement before Caiaphas. This is also the parallel passage to Luke's description of Jesus' ascension and the statement of the angel's promise that he would return "in like manner." This verse reads, "I was watching in the night visions and behold, one like the Son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him near before him." Here, he is not coming to destroy, he is coming into the presence of God with all nations assembled.

The next verse completes the vision and explains what his coming is all about. "Then to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom that all peoples, nations and languages should serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed." Many Bible scholars have indicated that this scriptural passage would have come to the minds of Caiaphas and the Sanhedrin present when Jesus made this statement that "from this point on, they would see him at the right hand of God and coming in the clouds." As it would come to mind when the apostles watched the Lord ascend into a cloud and heard the angels announce that he would come back in the same way. We see Dan. 7-13 does not indicate "a cloud coming judgment" by Jesus on Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Rather the text shows the inuaguration of an eternal Messiah kingdom in the presence of the Ancient of Days.

Another text they use is Ezek. 38-16, that states that God would come up against Israel "as a cloud to cover the land." Notice that they do not seem to see the enormous linguistic difference between coming "in" a cloud and coming "as" a cloud. Also Ezek. 38-16 states that "Gog" not "God" is the cloud-like invader of Israel. So a study of cloud imagery in these texts of the Old Testament Christian preterists use indicate that "clouds" have a "variety of meanings in scripture," and that there is "no standard structure" to be found that they hold to. They also generally believe, like the "cloud comings," that the prophets consistently wrote of the fall of specific nations as if the world was coming to an end; that is using the lanquage of "a collapsing universe" seen in scripture. In reality however, the prophets never predicted that the "universe would collapse" in association with the fall of nations in the past. In a few places they did speak of less activity then cosmic, atmospheric and geological activity when writing about God's judgement on specific nations. These predictions at times can be seen as obviously figurative. But they give no valid evidence that it was "standard prophetic practice" to state "end of a nation predictions in end of the world lanquage." The prophets used that kind of talk for God's predicted judgement "on the whole world."

Isaiah 13 includes language that can be taken to mean the complete upheaval of the natural order. That God will "make the heavens tremble; and the earth will shake from its place" (13-13). However, the immediate context indicates that God is punishing "the world" (13-11). Isaiah here is not speaking of just the fall of a specific nation, as an example, Jerusalem (70 A.D.) in the past. We see Isaiah 24 also concerns a universal judgment "on the earth and among the nations" (24-13). "The kings of the earth below" (24-21) are being punished by the Lord. The severe cosmic activity is more thoroughly documented in Isa. 24-18-21, that the prophet is speaking of "a universal judgment" (24-1,3,4,6,13,17,21). Isaiah 34 states, "All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll, all the starry host will fall like withered leaves, etc." (34-4). This is not talking about Edom introduced in the next verse. We see the passage begins as a call for judgement "on the earth--the world--all nations" (34-1-2).

Christian preterists argue that by the 1st century the prophets used an established systematic form in such expressions as clouds, falling stars and etc., were so entrenched then, that when Christians of that time used those expressions clouds, stars falling, end of age, everyone knew what they meant. Another national judgment was in view, in this case, the destruction of Jerusalem itself. According to them this was the preferred way of speaking about Jerusalem's fate in letters to churches and sermons preached in the first two-thirds of the 1st century. Hardly anyone would come out and say "Jerusalem is going to fall as a result of God's judgment." Rather they preferred to use the "standard encoded method" of expressing themselves.

Does Scripture teach a bodily Resurrection from the Dead?

We read in John 5-18-19,21-22; "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he had not only broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do; for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. (verses 21-22), For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but had committeth all judgment unto the Son;---." Jesus mentions here two works that he performs; "the raising and quickening of the dead," and "judgment." In John 5-24-26 Jesus discusses the first work, "the resurrection of life, and the second work, "a resurrection of judgment" in John 5-27-30.

The work of raising the dead and quickening them is an on-going work that is described in John 5-24-25 and the future work is described in verses 28-29. We read in verses 24-25, "Verily, verily I say unto you, he that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death to life. Verily, verily I say unto you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live." The quickening and raising of the dead is seen as a present activity by the phrase "and now is." Where the future activity is seen by the phrase "the hour is coming" in the same verse. Before people hear and believe, they are in a state of condemnation and death (verses 24-25). The Greek word for "death" in verse 24 is "thanatos." This word means a death of the body in which the soul and body are separated implying the idea of hell. The Greek word translated "dead" in verse 25 is "nekros." In this verse Jesus is speaking of those who are spiritually dead. "Nekros" is used in scripture by Jesus to refer to both physical death and spiritual death.

To give a few examples, Matt. 8-22, "But Jesus said unto him, follow me; let the dead (nekros) bury their dead" (nekros). Ephe. 2-1,5-6, "And you hath he quickened, who were dead (nekros) in trespasses and sins. (Verses 5-6), Even when we were dead (nekros) in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ---And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." We see in these passages that "nekros" refers to both those who are "physically dead" and those who are still physically alive but "spiritually dead." So we see that verse 25, "those who hear and live" are those who are dead "spiritually." They are in a state of death and condemnation (verse 24).

We read in John 6-39-40,44,54, "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all he hath given me I shall lose nothing, but shall raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that everyone which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day. (Verse 44), No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him; and I will raise him up at the last day. (Verse 54), Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day." As we see from these passages, the promise is clear, that those who have heard and believed in him and in the one who sent him, will be raised up by Jesus "at the last day." This promise is in regard to "a bodily resurrection" as we shall see in John 5-28-30, but first we go to verses 26-27.

"For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man." These verses essentially repeat verses 21-22 but serve as a transition between the spiritual resurrection in verses 24-25 and the bodily resurrection seen in verses 28-29. Verse 26 speaks of those who have believed which will lead to a bodily resurrection (verse 29). Verse 27 speaks of the execution of judgment of those who rejected Christ's word will one day face. The bodily resurrection of damnation spoken of in verse 29. It is also seen in other passages such as: John 12-48, "He that rejecteth me, and recieveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him; the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him at the last day." John 3-18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned; but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 5-28-29, "Marvel not at this; for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear the sound of his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."

This resurrection is a "different one" than what is spoken of in verses 24-25. First, note the difference in the time statements. Verse 25 reads, "---the hour is coming, and now is---." But verse 28 reads, "---for the hour is coming---." Showing this resurrection has yet to come at an unspecified time in the future. The resurrection (spiritual resurrection) in verse 25 however was going on at that time and would continue in the future, in what is called the church age. Verse 28 reads, "---all that are in the graves shall hear his voice---." The normal understanding of this phrase means that "all corpses in their graves will hear Jesus' voice and will come out." It is obvious here that the word "grave" refers to a physical object in which corpses are placed, rather than to the place where the spirits of the dead dwell.

The Greek word for "graves" in verse 28 is "mneimois" which is a plural of "mneimon." Mneimon is used 42 times in the New Testament. It is translated 29 times as "sepulcher," 8 times as "grave," and 5 times as "tomb", all in the "literal sense of the word." That is a hole in the ground where you put a dead body, and the only way this word is used in the New Testament. The Greek word for the place where the spirits of the dead dwell is "hades." The following two verses are the only other places in the New Testament where the exact Greek phrase "en tois mneimois" found in verse 28 is used. Mark 5-3, "Who had his dwelling among the tombs,* and no man could bind him, no, not with chains;---." (Verse 5), And always night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs,* crying, and cutting himself with stones." In each of these verses we see "en tois mneimois" refers to literal physical tombs. So we can see without any doubt that Jesus in John 5-28 is saying that all of the corpses in their graves will hear his voice and come forth, just as Lazarus heard him and came out of his grave literally in John chapter 11. Jesus is speaking of a bodily resurrection and not a spiritual resurrection.

Another difference that can be seen between the spiritual resurrection described in verses 24-25 and the physical one in verse 28 is "who" is being resurrected. The resurrection described in verses 24-25 applies only to "he that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me." This is how "the dead shall hear---and--they that hear shall live." This is the believer's spiritual resurrection. In verse 28 however, we read "all" that "are in their graves" will hear his voice and come forth. This clearly is a physical resurrection. It cannot refer to the spiritual resurrection because it includes "both" believers "and" non-believers. The word "all" means "all without exception." The clear and plain sense of this verse is that "every corpse" will rise and face judgment.

Regarding the universal resurrection, they are spoken of in several passages as well. Rev. 20-13, "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them; and they were judged every man according to their works." Matt. 25-34, "Then shall the king say unto them on his right hand, Come ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world;---." Matt. 25-41, "Then shall he say unto them on his left hand, depart from me, ye cursed, into the everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels;---."

The only spiritual resurrection that the Bible records is that which happens when a person is "born again." Jesus described it as both a present and future resurrection in John 5-24-25. This has been happening for 2000 years and still happening today. The bodily resurrection of "all" is yet to come, as John 5-28 reads; "All that are in the graves shall hear the sound of his voice and shall come forth." The Greek word "mneimois," translated "graves" here, is only used in the New Testament to refer to a place where a corpse is lain. And the word never refers to the place where the spirits of the dead dwell. Jesus is not referring to a spiritual resurrection because the resurrection involves "all persons," and not believers only. This occurs with Jesus' coming at the end of the "Christian age," being "the end of the ages" as 1 Cor. 10-11 reveals to us. "Now all these things happened unto them for examples; and they are written for our* admonition, upon whom (the church) the end of the ages are come" Here we see that the "end of the ages" is to mean "the church age." Where at that time "had come," or began, where at the end of the ages, the Christian age, would come the coming of Christ.

We read in 1 Cor. 15-23, "But every man in his own order; Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." Paul uses the term "fruits" here as an analogy that his audience could understand, in explaining the truth concerning the resurrection of the dead in the prior verses. "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept " (have died; 1 Cor. 15-20). In this verse Paul is speaking not only of a spiritual death, but a literal physical death that Christ came to restore (Verse 22). The spiritual "and" physical resurrection is seen in verse 23. Christ the firstfruits came and died and was "physically resurrected" in order to bring us first a spiritual resurrection, then "at the last day" the bodily resurrection from the grave, as can be seen in the following words. "---afterward (after Christ fulfills that which he came for), "they that are Christ's---." Who are they that are Christ's? Those who had believed in him and in whom sent him, receiving at that time a spiritual resurrection. Then his coming would bring about their "bodily resurrection" as can be seen in reading the following words. "Afterward (after their spiritual resurrection) they that are Christ's (will be resurrected literally) "AT HIS COMING." Then we read what occurs next in 1 Cor. 15-24-25. "THEN cometh the end (the end of the church age), when he shall have delivered up the kingdom* (the church kingdom) to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all* rule and all* authority and power. For he must reign (in heaven, see Rev. 20-4-6), till he hath put all enemies under his feet (see Rev. 20-7-11). The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death" (see Rev. 20-12-15).

"For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep (dead). For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead (the literal dead) in Christ shall rise first. Then we ( in Christ) which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (see Rev. chap. 21-22). Wherefore comfort one another with these words" (1 Thess. 4-15-18).

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The Covenants Relating to God's Salvation Plan for Mankind.

When our understanding of the Biblical Covenants is in place, we are better able to put the other pieces together without forcing them to fit. When we speak of the biblical covenants as being important to our understanding of prophecy, we are referring to the Abrahamic Covenant, the Davidic Covenant, the New Covenant, and the Palestine (Canaan) Covenant; that being the return of the Jews as a nation in Palestine promised in scripture. Other covenants are found in scripture, but these here are the ones important to understanding end-time prophecy. There were three basic areas of provision made in the Abrahamic Covenant. First, there were "personal" blessings for Abraham, 2nd, there were blessings for Abraham's descendants, "national" blessings for the Jews. Third, there were "universal" blessings, which would include all people. In these ways God promised to bless Abraham and to make his name great.

The most significant issue related to the Abrahamic covenant has to do with its "nature." Is it a  conditional covenant or an unconditional covenant? How one answers that question determines the framework of one's prophetic studies of God's Plan for Mankind. Gen. 12-1-6 contains only the first of several conditions given to Abraham. Scripture states that during his lifetime, Abraham did fulfill all the conditions given by God, so God ratified the covenant by His oath in Genesis chapters 15 and 22; making the covenant "unconditional" from that point onward. Thus God's covenant promises to Abraham are unconditional and certain of fulfillment. Though the covenant was unconditional, there was a condition attached to the "participants." If any involved in the covenant chose not to "walk before the Lord," they would lose out on the benefits and blessings of the covenant. This is a critical distinction to keep in mind. Sin and disobedience would cause the loss of the covenant blessings but would never cancel "the covenant." The blessings of the covenant were conditional on the obedience of an individual or individuals. But the complete fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant depends on God alone. And he intends to fulfill this covenant even if his people Israel are not faithful and obedient.

Scripture makes clear that the Abrahamic covenant remained in effect even though Israel failed badly. The failure and disobedience of Israel did not set aside the covenant promises. God spoke through the prophet Jeremiah and guaranteed that as long as the sun, moon, and stars existed the nation would continue before him. (Jer.31-35-37) "--a nation before me forever." Several times God declared that this Abrahamic covenant was an everlasting covenant. And several times he stated that "the land of Canaan" (Palestine proper) would be an everlasting possession of Israel's. No time limit was placed on this covenant provision, which indicates that Israel was to remain "a nation" forever. These promises are constantly referred to throughout the Old Testament, with the nature of these promises confirming the continuance of Israel  as "a nation." So "says the Lord, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night---. If this fixed order departs from me, declares the Lord, then the offspring of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me forever" (Jer. 31-35-36).

Galatians 3-6-9 states that believers are "sons of Abraham." True believers in the church both Jew and Gentile, are seen as the ones to whom the covenant blessings come. It is clear that many of the promises will not be fulfilled by the natural seed; Israelites also had to be a people of faith-a spiritual seed. Gentiles as the spiritual seed of Abraham means that they are "heirs of the promise" given "to all the families of the earth" (Gen. 12-3). Now what must be noted is that Gentile believers are not said to fulfill the promises that were given concerning "their land," and they being restored as a nation kingdom in Palestine (Canaan proper). This promise belongs to the physical descendants of Abraham, the Jewish people. To understand the fulfilling of the Abrahamic covenant we must keep these three provisions given in the covenant to the "seed of Abraham" in mind. There are promises that have to do with "national Israel" and there are promises that go beyond national Israel and include all the nations of the earth.

The Mosiac covenant was a "conditional" covenant, and was not a covenant agreement that included Gentiles. But it was Israel's constitution giving them laws  and ordinances to guide all aspects of national life. The Palestine land covenant is another provision of the Abrahamic covenant. In the original covenant, God promised a land area to Abraham (Gen. 12-1;13-14-17;15-7;17-7-8). The Palestine covenant, where they would be restored and made a nation again in Canaan (Palestine) was also an unconditional covenant promise. That promise, where Israel would eventually return and live in the land as a nation again where their forefathers had dwellt. Scripture states that "this promise" given them would be fulfilled in the final times, and given as an "unconditional promise." Scripture also declares, which we believe and hold, that the land promises given to Abraham's physical seed were literally fulfilled in the Old Testament. The time of this literal fulfillment can be placed either at the time of the conquest under Joshua or in the days of King Solomon.

We could summarize these promises concerning the land inherited by Israel as follows: The land was promised through Abraham (the promised boundaries and areas of the land), the promise was renewed to Isaac, Jacob and Moses. It was fulfilled literally through Joshua. Some Bible scholars find the actual fulfillment in Solomon's day. Compare 1 Kings 4-21 and 5-4 with Gen. 15-18. Yet much of the futurist belief rests on the "assumption" that God has never given Israel all the land promised through Abraham. The scriptures confirm that the Lord indeed kept the covenant promise that Abraham's physical seed would recieve the land boundary areas given Abraham. But it does not "annul the covenant promise" given the prophets and David of their returning to their forefather's land (Canaan proper), and becoming a nation again in the end times. Where in those times they would return to the land and become a nation again. Though, they would not recieve the "boundaries" of the Abrahamic land covenant promise given in the Old Testament. For God fulfilled those promises in the kingdoms of David and Solomon, if not in the days of Joshua.

Therefore when looking to the number of prophecies seen concerning the dispersion, regathering and conversion of Israel to their "land" and they being made a nation again; it is to be seen in the light of a "provision promise" of the prophecy's fulfillment for the physical seed of Israel. Some of these promises are seen in Isa. 11-11-12;14-1-2; Jer. 16-14-15;23-7-8;30-3;31-36-40;32-37-44; Ezek. 20-42; and etc. In these scriptures and others that could be given, we see in the plainest of language God saying he would return Israel as a nation in the land of Israel in spite of their sins. When looking to these many scriptures that speak of Israel's return to their land in the end times, no scripture is given concerning "the areas or boundaries of this land" that would be given them. The many scriptures of this final return promise simply states; "I will bring you back to "the land" where your forefathers had dwelt, and there I will make you a nation again." If the boundaries of the Abrahamic covenant were to be given them in their final return to their land, why did not the Lord relate this to his prophets and David? There is no scripture that speaks of this final return, where for example it would state: "I will bring you back to the land where your forefathers dwelt, the land they possessed from the Euphrates to the River Egypt." We see no scripture that speaks of Israel's return to the land in that way.

If this final return to the land were to be, as many believe, to be fulfilled "from the Euphrates to the River Egypt", why didn't the Lord reveal these words to the prophets? It is clear through the scriptures he did not, for the simple reason that this promise of the Abrahamic covenant was fulfilled at its latest through David and Solomon's reign. This fulfilled "that" provision promise given them by the Lord to the physical seed of the nation of Israel. The provision of the "future restoration" of Israel's physical seed, as seen in scripture is the promise that they would be regathered and made a nation again "in the land", in the general land areas surrounding the land of Palestine proper. In those areas where their forefathers originally dwelt, period. And not in the outer areas they at one time held. This provision or "unconditional covenant promise" of Israel's restoration nationally was fulfilled by the Lord in the 20th century. Israel began returning to their land and they later became a nation again in 1948. This promise of fulfillment is seen in the Davidic covenant. David was promised that he would have a "house" that would last forever. The word "house" has reference to David's physical line (seed). God guaranteed that the line of David would endure forever, and never be cut off. David's "throne" would also be established forever. The "throne" speaks of ruling authority. This is a guarantee or promise that the right to rule would always belong to the physical seed of David as a nation or kingdom. Even though there would be times because of disobedience where they would lose that right of remaining a nation.

In the various passages, Israel's restoration back to the land and its rebuilding are connected to the New Covenant. These scriptures point with certainty to the fact that the New Covenant will be made between the Lord, the nation of Israel, as well as with the Gentile nations. The nature of the New Covenant is like the other covenants that develop the Abrahamic covenant, it is both eternal and unconditional. The unconditional aspect of the New Covenant is seen that no conditions are placed on Israel in any of the scriptures that deal with this covenant. The promises of the New Covenant are primarily spiritual in nature, though some material blessings related to the land are also included. In the New Covenant, besides the Gentiles, God provides for the salvation of Israel. Though not every member of Israel and Judah will be saved. Of course, neither the spiritual nor physical restoration could take place until the necessary sacrifice for sin was made. The blessings for the church however are "unrelated to the national land covenant promise given Israel. That being the promises having to do with the Jews returning to their land and that restoration. These promises given them by the Lord were "unconditional", and these promises have been fulfilled when Israel was made a nation in 1948. Concerning the spiritual blessings given us by the Lord's New Covenant of salvation, they apply to the Jews as well as the Gentiles, because of the blood of Christ shed on the Cross 2000 years ago.

Concerning the covenant promises "given Israel" in the Abrahamic, Davidic, Palestine land covenant and New Covenant, all the provisions and promises of these covenants were fulfilled by God in past history to our current history. That being the Abrahamic land covenant they would possess from the Euphrates to the River Egypt. Fulfilled with certainty in David or Solomon's reigns, if not in Joshua's time. The spiritual blessings given Israel as well as the Gentiles, began their fulfillment by the New Covenant brought in through Christ our Lord. The national blessings for Israel being restored as a nation kingdom again was fulfilled in our time. This fulfilled the Davidic covenant promises given to David's "house" (Jer. 31-35-36). The Lord began fulfilling these promises concerning the physical seed of the patriarchs in 1948 when Israel became a nation kingdom again. The spiritual blessings given in the covenants of the Old and New Testaments, included both Jew and Gentile. These blessings were brought in through Christ our Lord 2000 years ago. That which we call the church or kingdom age on earth. This kingdom of God on earth has two aspects. In the spiritual kingdom aspect of God on earth, this is the rule of God over all those who are believers; those who have experienced the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit. Anyone from Adam until now who has been born again is part of this phase of God's kingdom (Col. 1-13). When Jesus spoke to Nicodemus about entering into the kingdom by the new birth, this is the aspect of the kingdom Jesus was referring to (John 3-1-10). The true church of Jesus Christ is equivalent to this aspect of the kingdom of God.

The mystery form of the kingdom of God on earth. This aspect of the kingdom of God on earth exists between the two advents of Christ. In this mystery form of the kingdom the ruler is God. The ruled are people on the earth who relate themselves in a positive, neutral or negative way to Christianity. This time is the period between his first and second coming. Unlike the spiritual kingdom, unbelievers are a part of this aspect of God's kingdom. Thus it is called the church age or age of salvation and grace. Then comes the eternal kingdom of God on the new earth. Dan. 2-44 declares that the "God of heaven will set up a kingdom which will never be destroyed---.It will itself endure forever." This kingdom comes into existance only after "all the kingdoms of man are totally removed from the earth." For this kingdom of God does not and "cannot coexist" with human kingdoms and sinful flesh. Contrary to those who believe in a millennium with Christ on earth co-existing with sinful flesh, scripture speaks otherwise. The kingdom of God cannot co-exist with sinful flesh and sinful kingdoms; all sin must be removed, thus removing the curse forever.

In 1 Cor. 15-23-28, the apostle Paul teaches us that at that time Jesus "delivers up the kingdom to the God and Father" (Verse 24). Jesus does this after he has made inoperative every enemy, including angels and death (verses 25-26). All of Jesus' enemies will be put "under his feet" (verse 25). The dominion over the earth will be recovered by Christ. When this occurs Christ will turn over the kingdom of the saints to the Father for the eternal reign over a new heaven and new earth. The eternal kingdom of God is the final phase of the kingdom of God that he brought in through His Son Jesus Christ. We are given these truths seen in the Old Testament by the apostles, called and led by the Holy Spirit. What Paul calls the "mystery" or hidden truth kept secret since the world began. In these New Testament texts given us, it reveals God's salvation plan for mankind hidden in the Old Testament, until the Lord determined to reveal it. (see Romans 16-25-26;1Cor. 2-7,10). Paul gives us further revelation of this mystery revealed to him and the apostles in Ephe. 3-3-6. Paul makes clear here that the mystery or hidden truth  given the prophets in the Old Testament has now been given to the apostles and prophets of the New Testament, and now being revealed "unto the sons of men." Part of the mystery being revealed in this text is "that the Gentiles are to be fellow heirs and of the same body." They are to be seen as not only "a part" of the house of Israel, but are to be considered as "the house of Israel." The Gentiles are "heirs" and of "the same body". And they, Jew and Gentile, are also "partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel." In 1 Cor. 1-26 it tells us that we recieve "(even) the mystery (the hidden truth) which had been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints" (see also 2 Tim. 1-10).

As was noted concerning the covenant promises given Israel, and the "seed of Abraham, the Gentiles," in the Abrahamic, Davidic, Palestine land covenant and New Covenant, all provisions and promises of these covenants were fulfilled by God in past history to our current history. God fulfilled the Abrahamic land covenant that they would possess the land "from the Euphrates to the River Egypt." If not in Joshua's time, fulfilled in the kingdom of Solomon. The Davidic covenant, the spiritual and national blessings given to Israel as well as the Gentiles, began their fulfillment by the New Covenant brought in through Christ our Lord 2000 years ago. The "national" blessings for Israel being restored as a nation and kingdom again in Palestine, was fulfilled in our time. That is the provision of the Davidic covenant promise given concerning David's "house" (Jer. 31-35-36). The Lord began fulfilling this promise concerning the physical seed of the Patriarchs in 1948 when Israel became a nation and kingdom again in Palestine (land of Canaan).

Concerning the Gentiles of "the house of Israel", scripture states that we are "fellow heirs and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel" (Ephe. 3-3-6). We are heirs and partakers of the same promises given Israel seen in the covenants of the Old and New Testament. Thus we too would recieve the promises given in these covenants that speak of recieving a land and a kingdom, to recieve the promises of "national blessings". God began fulfilling that promise in 1776 when we became a nation, and since then the Lord has showered us such national blessings that we became the greatest and most powerful nation in the world. But since our birth as a nation, in the past generation or so, we have turned our backs to God, and our sins have piled up to heaven.

In scripture we see that God did not put up with sinful mankind for many thousands of years, as many believe today. From Adam we see he destroyed mankind after only several thousand years, and not after many thousands of years. And we are told why he destroyed them, it was because of their "great sinfulness." Every inclination of their hearts was bent on evil all the time. Their sins had piled up to heaven. Yet the view of many people today, Christians alike, is that the Lord will not come to destroy this sinful world for hundreds or thousands of years, and some believe not at all. Even though it cannot be denied and is clear in our time that our sins have certainly reached the Lord of heaven. It is seen throughout scripture that God only puts up with sinful man for so long. Scripture shows us how he destroyed them and their nations, even his chosen ones, Israel.

The Lord shows us through scripture from Genesis to Revelation, that he will put up with mankind for only so long. Only in order to fulfill his salvation plan for mankind. When that time be fulfilled, he will come and destroy sinful mankind as scripture declares. He also gives us in scripture a great sign of his coming. It is this, as the prophecies unfold and become fulfilled in man's history, the clock continues to run down for mankind and the world. Thus we see that God has given us, his saints, his greatest sign of all of the general time of his coming. Today that sign is the great "absence" of yet unfulfilled prophecies he gave us in his word. For the vast majority of his prophecies have now been fulfilled in the history of Israel and the Gentile nations that were to be involved in God's salvation plan for mankind. Leaving now only the end of the age prophecies to come to fulfillment for the earth and mankind. Where then what remains in scripture of the prophecies to come, relate to the eternal state fulfilling all prophecy and promises given in his word. These scriptural fulfillments and facts alone should strike the body of Christ today to its surroundings, to a great concern and awareness, and to proclaim that message to the lost of the world.

In the New Testament the prophecies that relate to the end time are generally given in a spiritual, symbolic manner, but literal fulfillment of what the "nature" of secular man's spirit, soul, heart and actions would be in those times; including many in the church that makes up the body of Christ. Much of the New Testament concerning these things to come in the end time are given there.

These major prophecies are seen in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. In Luke 21-20-24, this prophecy speaks of when Jerusalem would be surrounded by armies. This was fulfilled by the Roman armies in 70 A.D. Other major prophecies are seen in 2 Thess. 2-1-7; 2 Tim. 3-9;2 Peter 2-1-22;3-3-14; and in the book of Revelation, which speaks entirely of the end times to their fulfillment. Which then brings in the eternal state for the saints, and judgment on the ungodly. Until then Christ must remain in heaven until that time of restoration is fulfilled. This is seen in Acts 3-11-26. Then at the prophecy's fulfillment the church will be taken up to the heavens; 1 Thess. 4-13-18; 1 Cor. 15-51-52; 1 John 3-2-3; and Jude 14-15. If one can realize that the chief truth seen in the scriptures that speak of the final tribulation period is that it would come and be the time when the work of the church to evangelize the world is coming to a close. Where at that time the end of the work of the church would also coincide with an apostasy in the churches of Christ. Also coinciding with the prophecies given concerning the tribulation, Israel, the beast, and etc. This would be the time or beginning phases prophesied of God's coming judgments upon the whole world. This is the chief truth given us in scripture concerning those times. The chief focus of the tribulation is a judgment upon the churches and congregations because they have fallen away from the truth. This falling away coincides with God's timetable of history. When God's salvation plan comes to an end, mankind and history also comes to an end. And the church age ends at the same time the world ends as we know it.

Therefore, the great need for the church to hear the footsteps of the Bridegroom's Coming, to awaken her so she can proclaim to the world, all are welcome to come to the marriage supper as well, before the Bridegroom comes and shuts the door (Matt. 24-7-13). The church needs to realize and repent, that it is this very present time "thou art come to the kingdom for such a time as this."

I pray that the Lord's Holy Spirit will awaken the body of Christ powerfully from their slumber, so as to become united as one voice, and proclaim to the world of our Lord's Glorious Coming; so that all can receive His Salvation and Great Mercy. Glory be to our Lord Jesus Christ, now and forever, Amen!

God Bless, Twospirits.

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The Renovation of the earth by Fire and the New Jerusalem.

When we study the passages of 2 Peter 3-10-13, Rev. 20-11 and 21-1, it shows us that the present heaven and earth will not pass out of existence, that is be totally annihilated. The passages of 2 Peter 3-10-13 state that fire is the means to be used by God at the end of the age. But fire does not annihilate something completely out of existence. Fire does not cause anything to cease to exist. Fire merely changes something from one condition to another. Biblically speaking it renovates and cleanses as the case may be. Peter shows us that there will be a "renovation" of the earth by fire and that the renovation will not blot out the earth any more than did the destruction of the world by water in the beginning. This is seen by a study of different words found in 2 Peter 3-10-13.

We read there, "In which (on the day of the Lord) the heavens shall pass away." The Greek word for "pass away" is "parerchomai" and means to go by or away from, in the sense of "from one condition to another." It never means a ceasing of existence. It is used as follows: "for the passing of time" in Matt. 7-28;9-10;11-1;13-53;19-1,etc. It is used of "events coming to pass" in Matt. 24-6; Luke 21-7 and John 14-29. It is used of the "infallibility of God's word," showing that it would be easier for heaven and earth to be changed then for the word of God to fail (Matt. 5-18;24-34-35; Mark 13-31; Luke 16-17 and 21-32-33). Thus we see from the various uses that it never conveys the idea of passing out of existence. As used in 2 Peter 3-10, it means the heavens passing from one condition to another, as is clearly expressed in Heb. 1-12;12-27-28. This change is to take place with "a great noise." "And the elements shall melt with fervent heat" (2 Peter 3-10,12). The Greek word for "elements" in these two verses is "stoicheion," meaning something orderly in arrangement, element, and principle or rudiment foundation. It is used in Gal. 4-3,9; Col. 2-8,20; 2 Peter 2-10,12 in reference to the principle of sin and of the present world system, such as the sinful nature, disease, germs, and spirits that cause men to corrupt themselves. The meaning also includes the things which man has made that must be destroyed before the earth can be purified and loosed from its present state of bondage and corruption (Romans 8-18-25). The Greek word for "melt" is "luo", meaning to loose, put off, unbind, untie or set free, and is so translated in Matt. 21-2; Luke 19-30,33; John 1-27;11-44 and Acts 7-33. It is translated "dissolve" in 2 Peter 3-11-12. These passages show that all that is to happen to the atmospheric heavens and the earth in this renovation is the loosing of them from the present bondage into a new state, as in Romans 8-21-23; and this loosing will be done by "fervent heat." This word "dissolve" expresses the idea of a "change" in the heavens and the earth into a new and better state wherein everything is good and worthy of the presence of God among men forever.

"The earth (land) also and the works that are therein shall be burned up" (2 Peter 3-10). The Greek word for "works" is "ergon", meaning work, toil, deed, labor, and the acts of men. It is used of religious works as well as of other kinds of works. The Greek word for "burned up" is "katakaio," meaning to burn down to the ground and wholly consume by fire. It has reference to the things of man on the earth which he has made, that will not be permitted in the new earth and eternal state. It is these things that shall be burned up therein, and not the earth itself as a planet. These things will be burned up or destroyed by fire. This is made clear in the next verses: "Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved (loosed)---the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved (loosed), and the elements (all sinful things of the world system) shall melt (here Greek, "teko," meaning to liquify or melt) with fervent heat" (2 Peter 3-12). As noted, the Greek word for "melt" here in 2 Peter 3-12 "teko" is not the same Greek word translated "melt" in 2 Peter 3-10 where it means "to loose." The passage of 2 Peter 3-10-13 means that it records the act of loosing the heavens and the earth from all effects of the curse and corruption and making everything clean and pure for man forever by fire. The result of all this will be the fulfillment of the promise to man of a new heaven and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness (2 Peter 3-13; Isa. 65-17; 66-22-24; Rev. 21-22).

Rev. 20-11 is often misunderstood to mean that the earth and the heavens will cease to exist, but this passage does not teach that. The meaning of the Greek word "pheugo" translated "fled" means to flee away, to shun or to vanish. It is used both in a figurative and a literal way. Its usage here is figurative as is of the "shaking of the heavens and the earth" at the time of God's wrath. This passage in Rev. 20-11 pictures the same renovation of the earth as 2 Peter 3-10-13. The actual heavens and the earth are pictured "as if" they had passed away and no place was found for them. But the language being figurative merely pictures the renovation of them and the taking away of the things which God is to destroy in them before they can be made new in character. Also the correct meaning of Rev. 21-1 is important to the understanding of what is being discussed. The word "new" used here is the Greek word "kainos" meaning renewal, or new as in freshness and character, but never new in "existence." It is in direct contrast to the Greek "neos" which means new in existence. A contrast between the two words is found in Matt. 9-16, "men put new wine* (neos, newly made wine) into new bottles* (kainos, freshened or renewed wineskins), and both are preserved."

This same contrast can be seen wherever the two words are used. Compare Matt. 13-52;26-28-29;27-60; Mark 1-27;14-25;16-17; 2 Cor. 3-6;5-17; Gal. 6-15; Ephe. 2-15; 2 Peter 3-13; Rev. 2-17; etc.; where "kainos" renew or new is used with 1 Cor. 5-7; Col. 3-10; Heb. 12-24 where "neos" new in age is used. Thus the expression "new heavens and new earth" in 2 Peter 3-3 and Rev. 21-1 has reference to the present heavens and the earth being made new in character, renewed and loosed from the old curse. The Old Testament word "khawdawsh" used in Isa. 65-17 and 66-22 is of the same new heaven and earth, and means the same as the Greek "kainos". Here we see the meaning of Peter's doctrine of "renovation" of the heavens and the earth. The renovation will simply "change" and "remove" certain things and leave other things to remain as is clear from the following scriptures: "The creature ( creation) itself shall be delivered (not annihilated) from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God" (Romans 8-21). "Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the work of thy hands---. And as a vesture shall thou fold them up, and they shall be changed (Heb. 1-10-12). "Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made (world systems), that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Whereof we recieving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear; for our God is a consuming fire" (Heb. 12-25-28).

The new heaven and the new earth are the result of the renovation by fire of 2 Peter 3-10-13. The destruction of the old sinful order on earth will end and the renovation by fire will be the last time in all eternity that any part of the universe will be marred by sin and rebellion of the creatures therein. In Rev. 21-2, John in his vision of the new heaven and earth sees the holy city, New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven to a site on the new earth. It is called "new", Greek "kainos," new in freshness and character, not "neos" to mean "new in age," for it is kept new and fresh by the presence of God. It has been the location of God's throne ever since heaven was created (ps. 103-19; Isa. 61-1;66-1; Rev. 4-2-10;5-1-13;22-1-3). It was in existence when man was created, for all saints from the time of Abel have looked for it (Heb. 11-8-16;13-14).
In Rev. 21-5, "Behold, I make all things new." Here again, the word "new" in this passage is the Greek word "kainos" which means "renewed," and not new in existance as would be seen if the Greek word "neos" had been used. For the word "neos" means new in "creation." Therefore, the final restitution of all things simply means that God will redeem and "restore" the whole creation as it was before the fall. It means that God's original program will be finally realized with all free moral agents who will conform to his will and that all creatures and the earth itself will be made perfect again as before the present curse. So shall it be.

Because of the text given in Gen. 9-11, many today believe that the world will never be destroyed again, but go on and on and on. Also most misunderstand when we speak of the destruction of the earth. They take it to mean its total destruction as "a planet", and this is incorrect. The earth itself will not be destroyed as a planet, but only that within which is corrupted by the curse. Let's look closely to the covenant promise God gave us in Gen. 9-11. "And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off anymore by the waters of a flood; neither shall there anymore be a flood to destroy the earth." Here we have two promises, one made to "man," and two, the "earth." The first is never shall "all flesh" be cut off (destroyed) by waters of "a flood" (universal flood). So here we have a promise that "mankind" would never again be destroyed by "a (universal) flood." He makes the same promise concerning "the earth." Never shall there anymore be "a (universal) flood" to destroy "the earth." So God makes very clear here that this covenant promise concerning the destruction of "mankind and the earth" would not come by "a flood." The covenant promise here says "nothing about promising never to destroy mankind and the earth again." Only that he would never destroy man and the earth again by that means; and 2 Peter 3-10-13 confirms the meaning of the covenant given in Gen. 9-11.

The New Jerusalem.

The New Testament book of Hebrews states that the goal of the godly, who by faith follow God and trust him to take them to his promised final destination, is a heavenly city (Heb. 13-14). This hope goes all the way back to Israel's beginning in Abraham: "By faith Abraham---was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God" (Heb. 11-8,10). Hebrews tell us that God was telling Abraham that through him, the coming prophets, and His Son Christ, would be built by him through these means to fulfill his will. God will create a "New (restored and perfect) Jerusalem" after his word, will, and salvation plan be fulfilled, this city that would continue forever. This is what is implied in these passages in Isaiah where the prophecies of a "restored Jerusalem" is joined to those of a new heaven and a new earth. "Behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come to mind. But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem---." (Isa. 65-17). "My holy mountain Jerusalem---. I will also take some of them for priests and Levites, says the Lord. For just as the new heavens and the new earth which I make will endure before me, declares the Lord, so your offspring and your name will endure" (Isa. 66-20-22).

The "concept" of the New Jerusalem appears in several New Testament texts. In Gal. 4-26 the apostle Paul speaks of "the Jerusalem above" in contrast to the present Jerusalem (v.25), used for the sake of comparison. The author of Hebrews also writes of the heavenly Jerusalem (the place of grace) in contrast to the earthly Mount Sinai (the place of law). "But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant---." (Heb. 12-22-24). In this passage we read that the inhabitants of this "heavenly Jerusalem" are God the Father (judge), Jesus the Son (mediator), the angels, Old Testament believers (righteous men made perfect) and the church. This agrees with the scriptural descriptions of both the heavenly court of God and the New Jerusalem seen in the book of Revelation.

The most complete description of the New Jerusalem is in chapters 21-22 of Revelation. John calls it "the bride the wife of the Lamb" (Rev. 21-9). This description in every sense is a physical reality with measurable structures, planned design, materials, and human inhabitants. The gates are described having the names of the 12 tribes of Israel, and the foundation stones of its wall with the names of the 12 apostles (Rev. 21-12-14). Even though these are all Jewish, they represent Israel and the church. The Old and New Testament saints, as in Heb. 12-23. Jesus announced to his Jewish disciples that he was going away to "prepare a place" (this city) for them as his bride (John 14-2). The New Jerusalem is described as "coming out of heaven from God" (Rev. 3-12; see also 21-2,10, beginning and created in heaven by God). The present tense indicates that John saw the city as being in the process of descent, a descending from heaven kind of city. And coming "out of" indicates its origin, from heaven, and "from" indicates its originator, God who created it. These words indicate that the New Jerusalem comes out of heaven from God who creates it. Then at its "completion", it comes down from heaven beginning the eternal state on the new earth. All has been made "new" or restored as was before man's fall. John is shown the city from afar in Rev. 21-2 and then taken to a closer viewing point in Rev. 21-9. Rev. 21-1 starts the section by mentioning the new heavens and new earth, so the vision of the New Jerusalem is seen being limited to the time or coming of the eternal state. In Rev. 21-24-26, these verses show nations and kings of the earth walking by the light of the city and bringing the "glory and the honor of the nations into it." But who are these "nations" and "kings"? If we consider the Old Testament prophecies that parallel these verses (Ps. 72-11; Isa. 60-3,10-12;66-12), it makes sense to see these "nations" and "kings" as remnants of the world kingdom nations that were once opposed to God and his people, became believers and will bring "glory and honor" due God into the earthly New Jerusalem.

Before continuing with chapters 20-22, the New Jerusalem, we first go to Rev. 16-16-19. Here we see the 7th vial being poured out on the nation of Babylon, and the cities of the nations (peoples) in her. Here we see she is partly destroyed by a great earthquake, and chapters 17-18 tell us of the causes, manner and consequences of her judgment. Rev. 16-20-21 speaks of the judgment that will later come upon all the nations of the world at large. Where "every Island fled away," indicating every Island nation kingdom would be judged and fall. This is seen under the 6th seal in Rev. 6-14-15,19-17-20 and 20-8-9.

After telling us the reasons for Babylon's judgment ending in Rev. 18-24, we read in Rev. 19-1-5 that heaven and earth shall "praise the Lord." Because the "salvation, and the glory, and the power of our God are come" (V.1). "For the Lord our God, the omnipotent reigneth." Here this anticipates his beginning reign, the eternal reign with the saints. This is seen in the following verses. "Let us rejoice and be exceeding glad, and give the glory unto him. For the marriage of the Lamb is come. And his wife hath made herself ready" (Rev. 19-6-7). Here we see, after the judgment on Babylon has been executed, the "time" of the marriage to the Lamb has come. And at that time it was given her, the wife to be, "that she should be arrayed in fine linen rainment, bright and pure; for the fine linen rainment is (represents) the righteous (acts or rewards) of the saints" (V.8). The context suggests his coming is not "immediate", but certainly in a very short time after these events occur. This is seen in Rev. 20-8-10, "and they shall be tormented day and night." Where then in verses 11-15 we see the coming judgment occurring in heaven when all would be fulfilled. For at this time we see that "the earth and the heaven (the earth and heaven under the curse) fled away; and no place was found for them" (V. 11).

Now returning to chapters 21-22 concerning the now restored "New Jerusalem" coming down from heaven is where we return now. Beginning from Rev. 21-3 to 22-21, we see John is never shown the marriage itself of the Lamb to the bride, nor does he see the New Jerusalem settling down upon the earth itself. He hears the voice out of the throne saying, "Behold, the tabernacle (dwelling place) of God is with men (present tense),, and he will dwell with them, (future tense)*and they shall be* his people, and God himself shall be* with them and be their God" (Rev. 21-3). Verse 4 speaks in the same future tense, "Shall wipe away every tear,---death shall be no more,---neither shall there be anymore pain;;---." Where then the following words of the verse expresses that time of its complete fulfillment, to the renewal of all things and time. "---because the former things are* (present tense) passed away." ( the curse).

Here we see the renewal promises of the Lord are now to be brought in. This is seen in verse 5, "Behold, I make* (present tense) all things new" (restored). Verse 6 tells us why he promises this, for it is at that time "they are accomplished." That is his will, his salvation plan and all prophecy concerning mankind. This is seen in the following words, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end." This can be said here for "all is accomplished." Where now the complete renewal of all things is at hand to begin the eternal state. "Behold, I make all things new." But until that time comes, he sends out a promise and a blessing to those who would recieve it. "I will give unto him that thirsteth of the fountain of the water of life, freely. He that overcometh shall  inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son" (verses 6-7). But when that time comes for the "fearful" the "unbelieving," the "abominable," the "murderers" and etc., shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death" (V.8).

In Rev. 21-2, John saw the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven "prepared" as a bride adorned or dressed for her husband to be. For here the marriage is yet to be consumated. But in Rev. 21-9, we see the marriage has taken place and has been consumated. For the angel says, "Come hither, I will show thee the bride, the Lambs wife." So it is clear here that the "prepared bride" has now become the Lamb's wife, and he is about to abide with her. And here we see that "better country," and "the city" for which the Old Testament saints belong; to that heavenly calling in which they looked for. Here in Revelation 21 we have the new heaven and the new earth, the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles of the Lamb. The church is part of Christ, the Bridegroom, though in a sense one, are yet distinct. The members of Christ's body are part of the Bridegroom himself. Whereas the elect Old Testament saints form the bride. So that the bride is not Israel but is "of Israel." The bride, the New Jerusalem is made up of and forms the "whole house of Israel," Israel and the "grafted in Israel," the Gentiles.

Rev. 21-10-22 gives us the description of the New Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God. Verses 22-23 tell us, "I saw no temple therein; for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb, are the temple of it. And the city hath no need of the sun, neither of the moon, that they should shine on her; for the glory of God illumined her, and the Lamb is her light." Verses 24-27 gives us further details of what shall be when the New Jerusalem has settled upon the new earth. Then "the nations (people of the nation kingdoms) shall walk by means of her light; and the kings of the earth (of former kingdoms) do bring* (present tense) their glory into her" (V.24). "And there shall never enter into her anything unclean, or whosoever worketh abomination, and a lie; but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life" (v. 27).

Rev. 22-1-5 completes the description and details given of the New Jerusalem that John saw descending out of heaven from the throne of God. "And he showed me a river of living water (his word which brings life), clear as crystal (pure) going forth out of the throne of God and of the Lamb (from the throne of God from creation, John 1-1). In the midst of the street of it (the throne of God and the Lamb) and of the river (that brings life), on this side and on that side was there the tree of life (God, the Lamb, the access to eternal life) producing 12 kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit according to each month; and the leaves of the tree were for* (past tense) the healing of the nations" (verses 1-2).We see from these sources that they come from the throne of God and of the Lamb. Thus from these sources does it produce fruits of various kinds in order for the "healing of the nations", in order to receive eternal life when the eternal state would come in. Verse 2 indicates that this healing comes "before" the eternal state can come in, for "time" still exists at this point. As the text shows, before the eternal state, "time", that is "months" still exist. And in this existing time before the eternal state comes in, the "leaves of the tree" were for "the healing of the nations." The fruit and the leaves of the tree of life represent that part of the tree given by God from his throne to man, for their salvation and healing in order to receive the tree of life (eternal life) completely. And live for eternity with God, as it was before the fall of Adam and Eve.

When the eternal state would about to come in, verses 3-5 tell us; "And there shall be no longer any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in her and his servants shall serve him; and they shall see his face; and his name shall be on their foreheads. And there shall be no longer any night; and they have no need (present tense) of a lamp or light of the sun; because the Lord God will give them light; and they shall reign forever and ever." We read in Rev. 22-14, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Here this verse like the other verses of 6-13 is given in the present tense, to indicate and make clear that which is being said is "for the here and now" in order to obtain this coming promise given of the eternal state. This is seen in the following words of verse 15 indicating this cursed age: "Without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolators, and whosoever loveth and practiseth a lie." Rev. 22-16-21 closes the book of the Lord's prophecy concerning the end times.

Jesus himself in verse 16 testifies that at the prophecy's fulfillment of what he would do. "I Jesus sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the assemblies." All assemblies in the body of Christ that would exist throughout the church age. In Rev. 22-20 Jesus testifies to the truth and fulfillment of his word. "He who testifieth these things saith, "Surely I come quickly." Amen. Come Lord Jesus.

God Bless, Twospirits.

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How the Births of John the Baptist and Jesus Christ relate to the 1000 years.


The historical and Biblical evidence


We  know that Herod the Great was king in Judea when Jesus was born (Matt. 2-1). Josephus the Jewish historian writes that there was an eclipse of the moon shortly before the death of Herod. This could refer to any of three eclipses that occurred in 5 and 4 B.C. But since Josephus records that this eclipse occurred shortly before his death, the most likely is the eclipse that occurred on March 12th of 4 B.C. Furthermore Josephus states that Herod died just before Passover. At that time Passover occurred on the evening of April 11th in 4 B.C. So from this evidence it must be concluded that Herod died in the early part of April before the Passover of that year.

Before that time, Herod had held council with wise men from he East who had come to worship God's Messiah Jesus Christ. On the pretense that Herod also wanted to worship Jesus, he asked the wise men to report back to him as to where he could be found. But after a time when they did not report back to him, he became furious and ordered his soldiers to kill all children in Bethlehem two years and under (Matt. 2-16). Scripture reveals the order given was “in accordance with the time he had learned from the magi.” Herod was a madman who wanted to keep his throne, so this needs to be taken into account. Its difficult to believe that Herod would go “strictly” by the time given him by the magi which he alone had learned from them as the scripture declares. In all probability he would have allowed ample time to make sure that the Messiah child Jesus would be killed. Remembering that Herod was furious that the magi had betrayed him by not reporting back to him. He would have felt and thought the same way concerning “the time” that the magi had given him of those events that had transpired.

This evidence indicates that Jesus most probably was born sometime in 6 or 5 B.C., when going by the order to kill the children two years and under. Given that Herod was a madman and betrayed by the magi, the evidence that shall be presented leans more to the year 5 B.C. As being the time of Jesus' birth. This is indicated in Matt. 2-8 where Herod tells the magi: “Go and search diligently for the young child*;---.” And Matt. 2-11 tells us, “And when they were come into the house (not the stable) they saw the young child*----and fell down and worshiped him---.” We see in these verses that Jesus is said as being “a young child” and not an infant as when the shepherds saw him. So we can see that Herod going by the time the magi gave him realized Jesus was then a young child as it states in Matt. 2-8. Where shortly after the magi found “the young child” and worshiped him (Matt. 2-11).

As to “the time of year” of Jesus' birth, Luke 2-1-40 indicates that it was not in the cold and winter months as tradition holds to today. At the time that Mary was about to give birth to Jesus, Caesar Augustus (verses 1-2) “decreed that all should be taxed (registered). And this registering was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.” In those days traveling was extremely difficult in the winter months so that the people could travel and be able to register in their own city (V.3). It was at that time that Mary gave birth to Jesus and the angels appeared to the shepherds in the field (Luke 2-8-21). The weather in the winter months would not permit shepherds to field their flocks, they would be sheltered for the winter as Jewish history reveals. So taking all this historical-biblical evidence into account thus far, it points to the time of Jesus' birth as being the spring or fall of 5 B.C.

The New Testament tells us much concerning Jesus' ministry in public. John the Baptist crossed the careers of several historical figures (Luke 3-1). The most important was Tiberius Caesar. Luke tells us there that he had been in office four years when John began his ministry. Josephus records that Tiberius became Emperor at the death of Augustus in 14 A.D. Therefore his 15th year would have been 28 or 29 A.D. Depending on whether he used an accession or a non-accession scheme in dating which was common for that time.

John and Jesus began their ministry about the same time. From the evidence gathered we know that Jesus had a ministry of three and a half years. When he began his ministry Luke 3-23 says that “Jesus was about 30 years of age.” Here a problem emerges for Josephus' date for Tiberius' reign being 28-29 A.D. It would require us to place the death of Jesus in 32-33 A.D. Which would move his birth date from 5 to 2 B.C., which by the biblical evidence given us is to late. For that time would also be “after Herod's death.” So it would have to come at an earlier time. Luke confirms this for us in Luke 3-1 where he tells us that Tiberius Caesar had been in office four years when John the Baptist's ministry began.

We know from evidence that Tiberius ruled with Augustus Caesar for about three years before Augustus died. This means he would have begun his official duties in about 11 A.D. Which agrees with Luke's statement that he had been in office for four years. Therefore his 15th year of his rulership would have come in 26 A.D., the beginning of John and Jesus' ministry. This date also agrees with Luke 3-23 when he began his ministry “Jesus was about 30 years of age.” If indeed Jesus was born in the year 5 B.C. And his ministry began as indicated here, the fall of 26 A.D.; he would at that time have been “about 30 years of age”, which confirms Luke's statement. Adding this time of 5 B.C. To the fall of 26 A.D., they equal to 30 years (for there is no 0 B.C.).

The evidence tells us that Jesus began his ministry before the first of the four Passovers given us in scripture, making the length of his ministry three and a half years. Making the beginning of his ministry sometime in the fall of 26 A.D., and concluding in the spring Passover season of 30 A.D. The Jewish calendar shows that the Passover came on the evening of April 7 A.D. 30. That would put the beginning of the Passover on Thursday evening, though tradition teaches that Jesus was crucified on Friday. Jewish time was reckoned from “evening to evening,” and Jesus was crucified and died several hours before Passover began. Thus in Jewish time, Jesus was crucified, died and was buried late afternoon “Wednesday,” several hours prior to the beginning of the Passover, the Jewish new day being Thursday evening, April 7, A.D. 30.

Now continuing with historical-biblical evidence rather than tradition we see the scriptures confirm this date as well, that being Jesus' resurrection seen in John 20-1. “Early in the first day of the week (Sunday)---.” Here John shows us that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy given in John 2-19, and confirms the evidence that the Jewish calendar shows that the Passover of April 7, A.D. 30 occurred beginning on Thursday evening, and not on Friday evening as tradition holds to.

In Luke 2-41-42, he states that during the Passover time when Jesus was at the temple he was “12 years old.” The Jewish Passover then was on April 29 of A.D. 9. Note that Luke does not state here that Jesus was “about” 12 years old, as he stated in Luke 3-23 of Jesus being “about” 30 years of age. Rather here he is implicit that he “was” 12 years old. So this passage in Luke 2-41-42 confirms the actual age of Jesus, and the age of Jesus when he began his ministry in the fall of A.D. 26.

Now given that it was the spring Passover where Jesus is 12 years old, in going back we can possibly come to a closer time of his birth. This can be done by going back to the spring Passover time of 5 B.C. In counting from the Passover time of 5 B.C. To the Passover time of April 29, 9 A.D., we see it equals to “13 full years” and not 12 years. Therefore Jesus could not have been born in the spring time of 5 B.C. He would have had to be born later in the year. And this is where Luke 3-23 helps us in finding that time of year of his birth. For it is there that Luke states that Jesus was “about 30 years of age.” Indicating that Jesus' 30th birthday was “very close” when he began his ministry in the fall of that year. So here we have further evidence that Jesus' birth occurred sometime in the fall, Sept.-Oct. (Jewish calendar) of 5 B.C.

The Jewish Feast of Tabernacles (Succot) occurs in the fall, in Sept.-Oct. Of the Jewish calendar. John 1-14 gives us an indication that Jesus' birth did occur during that time. “And the word was made flesh (lit., became flesh), and dwelt* among us,---.”eek word “dwelt” that John used is “skenoo” which means to “tent” or “tabernacle” as God did in the Tabernacle of old. Though this by itself is not evidence, but given with all te other evidence presented, this passage helps varify that evidence that he came and “dwelt” among us in Sept.-Oct. Of 5 B.C. Sometime during the Feasts of Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur or the Feast of Tabernacles. Also Luke 2-7 records that at the time of Jesus' birth “there was no room in the inn,” indicating feast gathering times for Jews.

So in bringing this all forward from the time of the fall of 5 B.C. to the fall of 1 B.C. Equals to 4 years. And from the fall of 1 B.C. To the following fall, would be A.D. 1. For there is no “0 B.C.”

---The birth of Jesus Christ; the fall of Sept.-Oct. Of 5 B.C. Most probably during the Feasts of Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur or the Feast of Tabernacles.

---The death of Herod; early April of 4 B.C. Shortly before Passover on April 11 of 4 B.C.

---During Passover time on April 29, 9 A.D., as recorded in Luke 2-41-42 Jesus was 12 years old.

---The beginning of Jesus' ministry when he was about 30 years of age in the fall of Sept.-Oct. Of 26 A.D.

---Jesus crucified, died and was buried Wednesday afternoon several hours before the Passover. The Passover began that evening, beginning the Jewish new day, Thursday of April 7 A.D. 30.

---The time of Pentecost occurred on May 27, A.D. 30. The pouring out of the Holy Spirit and the beginning of the church age.

---Rosh Hashanah occurred on Sept. 17 of A.D. 30. Yom Kippur on Sept. 26 A.D. 30. The Feast of Tabernacles on Oct. 1 A.D. 30.

The evidence given meets all the historical-biblical evidence found except one that becomes a problem on finding “beyond a doubt” the timing of Christ's birth and here needs to be discussed. It is the scripture of Luke 2-1-2 that poses a problem in finding the time of Christ's birth. Luke 2-1-2 records the time of Jesus' birth. We read, “In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. This was the first census that took place when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.” The problem arises from Archaeological evidence found concerning this governor Cyrenius. Several hundred years ago, evidence was found that this governor of Syria who administered the taxing seen in Luke 2-1-3 ruled in that position from 7 to 4 B.C. Which agrees with the scriptural evidence given. But according to some information given us in certain books today, it is said that there has been recent archaeological evidence stating that Cyrenius was twice governor of Syria. But his first period of rule is given as beginning “from 4 B.C. To 1 B.C.” and not 7 to 4 B.C. But if this “evidence” be true, it would mean that Christ's birth came “after the death of Herod,” and the evidence of scripture clearly reveals otherwise. Therefore, the word of God or this “new evidence” must be rejected as being false. The answer is obvious that this “new evidence” being proclaimed by certain authorities and authors are to be rejected as being incorrect in their findings. It is totally contrary to all the historical-biblical facts presented. Therefore in keeping with the timing of Christ's birth with the evidence found that Cyrenius was first governor in 7 to 4 B.C., which agrees with God's word, is the evidence we present and follow.

Some have given another solution to this problem. That is the word “first” (Greek, prote-proto). This Greek word “first” (prote) can also be used to mean “before.” For example in John 15-18 we read, “---keep in mind that it hated me first* (before;prote, proto). Taken in this way Luke 2-2 would then read, “This was the census that took place before* (prote) Cyrenius was governor of Syria.” In any case there are several views given on the timing of Christ's birth, ministry, crucifixion and resurrection. But here we have presented for the sake of space only the view that holds the strongest evidence found to date. That being most probably Christ was born sometime in the fall of Sept.-Oct. Of the Jewish Feast times in 5 B.C.

Now can we find through the prophetic events of the birth of John the Baptist, the confirmation time of Jesus Christ's birth, ministry, crucifixion and resurrection, and the “prophetic time” of chapter 20 called “the 1000 year reign”? ( By the translation of the scholars, why I emphasized it as we shall see). Where when that time would expire, the releasing of Satan would occur to deceive the nations to fulfill the prophecies of the end time?

We have written on Revelation chapter 20, “the 1000 years” on our website: www.twospiritshendora.com seen on page 16 and also seen under articles. It was also posted in short on Planetpreterist.com titled; “An Apologetic on Dispensationalism, posted on Nov. 16, 06 for those who may wish further information on these topics. ( The timing of Satan's release is given on page 9, 13 and 16 of our website). “The so-called 1000 years” called “the 1st resurrection” consists of not only two separate groups being resurrected, but the resurrections are spaced 1000 years apart from one another, when following the text and the translation of the scholar's “1000 years.” Therefore the total reign in heaven cannot be a 1000 years, but a reign of 2000 years that Rev. 20-4-6 speaks of. And this is called in the texts “the first resurrection” and the “1000 years” (by the scholars). And it is after that time expires we read: “And when the thousand* years are completed, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison (loosed from his “restriction”)”. (V.17). And then “shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them to battle;---.” (Rev. 20-8; The events are seen in Rev. 16-12-14,16).

So these passages indicate to us that after the 2000 year reign in heaven, not a 1000 years as we assert, comes to completion, Satan is to be released in order to “deceive the nations” to fulfill the remaining end time prophecies seen in Daniel, Ezekiel (chapters 38-39, Gog and Magog, and on through chapters 48), Revelation and other scriptures relating to the prophecy. So the questions now arise, “when” did this 2000 year reign end to bring forth the release of Satan to fulfill prophecy, to bring in the coming of Christ our Lord and the eternal state? And are we correct in asserting that its not a 1000 but a 2000 year reign in heaven? This shall be seen as we go along. We know through scripture the heavenly kingdom always existed, and before the New Covenant only Old Covenant saints could enter. Therefore “when” did God bind Satan in order that his salvation plan for mankind, the church age, be fulfilled? This is of the greatest and upmost importance to know, for it relates to the expiration time of these 2000 years (which we maintain) where Satan would then be released to deceive the nations worldwide fulfilling the prophecy.

Numerous scriptures in the New Testament indicate that this 2000 year reign began, prophetically speaking, before the birth of Christ. That being the time we read in Rev. 20-1-3. “---having the key* of the bottomless pit and a great chain* in his hand. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal* upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more,---and after that (time) he must be loosed a little season.” It must be understood here that this passage is not to be taken “literally” concerning his “binding,” but is figurative and symbolic in meaning. For obviously he, then and now, is still allowed to “roam about” to tempt and deceive. The classic example of this is seen in the temptation of Jesus Christ at the very beginning of Christ's ministry, in order to prevent God's prophetic plan. The meaning of the passage is that he was “limited and restricted” by God in the use of his power. Scripturally the “key” represents and means “authority,” the “chain” means “restriction of movement.” For example, when an animal is chained, the shorter the chain the more he becomes restricted, the longer the chain, the less restricted he becomes. But nonetheless, he still becomes restricted and contained from having his full freedom. And this passage tells us that the angel held “a great chain” in his hand. Indicating that though Satan was restricted, he still held much power and movement at his command. The meaning of this “binding” is given us in the passage, it is so he could not “deceive the nations” in order to “gather them together” as is seen in Rev. 16-12-14,16 and 20-8. The “seal” represents God's authority and guarantee that Satan could not fulfill this prophecy until that time had come to pass.

We read of this binding of Satan in the parables of Jesus (Matt. 12-29; Luke 11-21-23). We know some of the Old Testament saints were reigning on thrones in the heavenly Kingdom when looking to Matt. 17-1-8 and Mark 9-2-8 where it records “the transfiguration of Jesus” speaking with Moses and Elijah. And in Luke 10-18 Jesus said “I saw Satan fall from heaven” (past tense). In John 18-36 Jesus states, “My kingdom is not of this world---. (V.37) “Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born and for this cause (reason) came I into the world.” For this very reason was Jesus born, to destroy the works of the devil, and bring salvation to mankind. 1 John 3-8 states, “For this purpose the Son of God was manifested (sent in flesh), that he might destroy the works of the devil.” We read in 1 John 4-14, “And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son (to be) Savior of the world.” Luke 2-11 states, “For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.” And in Luke 2-31-32, “---which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; a light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.” These are just some of other scriptures that could be given that indicates the time of Satan's “binding” that would begin the time of the 2000 year heavenly reign and the salvation of mankind, the church age.

In continuing and correcting first our calendar time to the birth of Christ. The fall of Sept.-Oct. Of 5 B.C. Would become Jan. 1,A.D. 1 as being “the year of our Lord.” So from Jan. 1, A.D. 1 (Sept.-Oct. 5 B.C.) to Sept.-Oct. Of 1995 A.D. Equals to 2000 years. Whereas the calendar we follow to this day would show the time to be Sept.-Oct. Of 2000 A.D. So in following Christ's birth date as being 5 B.C., we see the 2000 years actually expiring in Sept.-Oct. Of 1995 where Satan would be released to deceive the nations and fulfill prophecy. Now if one were to look at our writings (on our website), they would read that Satan would be released to deceive the nations in Sept.-Oct. Of 1993. The time that Satan gave his throne and authority to the beast of the sea and the earth. But all authority would be given to the beast of the sea, the political beast, in order to deceive the nations called “Gog and Magog, that are in the four corners of the earth” (Rev. 20-8).

So here we have a two year difference as to when the 2000 years is said to be ended when following the time “from the birth of Christ.” But if we take into account the “prophetic events necessary” that are “a part” of the overall prophetic fulfillment of the 2000 year reign and binding of Satan to fulfill God's salvation plan; then we would need to first go back to the time of the birth of John the Baptist. For he was prophesied to be the “forerunner” to “make straight the path (coming) of the Lord” (Mark 1-1-3; Luke 1-17; John 1-15). And it is there in those texts concerning the birth of John and Jesus would we find the time that agrees to the time stated as being Sept.-Oct. Of 1993, the end of the 2000 years and the conceiving of Jesus to Mary by the Holy Spirit.

Luke chapter 1 records the events concerning John the Baptist's birth. There the angel Gabriel appeared to Zechariah a priest, while he was servicing in the temple of God, and was told that “in time” his wife would bear him a son, and he was to be called John. Where then we read in Luke 1-23-24, that after “the days of his ministration were finished, he departed to his own house.” And “after those days (a short time after his return) his wife Elizabeth conceived, and “hid herself for five months.” Luke 1-26-27 then tells us that “in the sixth month” of Elizabeth's pregnancy, Gabriel appeared to Mary who was “betrothed” to Joseph at that time. Gabriel tells Mary that she “shall conceive” in time Jesus, the Son of God by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1-35).

In verse 36 Gabriel tells her that Elizabeth, Mary's relative, has also conceived a son and that “this is the sixth month with her.” This tells us that when Gabriel appeared to Mary, Elizabeth was “beginning” her 6th month of conception. It is at this time (v.39) that Mary “went out with haste” to the home of Zechariah and Elizabeth. Then in verse 45, “Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit proclaims that there “shall be” a fulfillment of the things which were told to Mary from the Lord. This indicates that Mary “was yet” to conceive. Then Luke 1-56 tells us that “Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.”

Luke 1-26-27 tells us that when Mary went to visit Elizabeth she was “betrothed” to Joseph at that time. Matt. 1-18-19 gives a strong indication that Mary conceived Jesus during her three month visit with Elizabeth, before returning to her home. “---When as his mother Mary was espoused (betrothed) to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.” Here it seems that when she returned to her hometown, “she was found to be with child.” Though there's no way to know how far along she was, we can know that when she returned home “she was with child.”

So here we have Mary betrothed to Joseph when she visited Elizabeth who was in the beginning of her 6th month. Therefore this would mean that John was conceived 5 months prior to this time, and Mary was betrothed to Joseph. Matt. 1-18 tells us, “Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on tis wise (as follows); When as his mother Mary was espoused ( betrothed) to Joseph, before they came together (consummated the marriage), she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.” Among the Jewish custom, marriage vows were said at the time of the “betrothal.” The custom required an interval of “one year” of betrothal before the bride could actually take residence in her husband's house and consummate their union. It is during this interval that Mary was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.

Now following the evidence of Jesus' birth as being correct, that being Sept.-Oct. Of 5 B.C., and Mary being “with child” when Joseph married her “after” the betrothal time of one year; it seems reasonable to suggest that Mary was about 3 months along when Joseph married her. Therefore if this be correct, then the year betrothal time ended sometime in March-April of 5 B.C., and Mary was about 3 months along when the marriage took place. This is seen in Matt. 1-19, “Then Joseph her husband*----was minded to put her away privily” (divorce her). This also agrees with the time she spent visiting Elizabeth, where during that time she conceived by the Holy Spirit before returning home to marry Joseph. Therefore the “betrothal time” would have begun sometime in March-April of 6 B.C. The time when Gabriel appeared to Mary, and Elizabeth was in the beginning of her “6th month” as the texts reveal. This then tells us that 5 months prior was the time that Zechariah and Elizabeth conceived John the Baptist. Now 5 months prior to March-April of 6 B.C. Brings us to Sept.-Oct. Of 7 B.C., in following the Jewish calendar as to the time that John was conceived. So at this time to gain a clearer perspective of these events and dates, we give them here below.

---Zechariah's revelation in the temple and the conceiving time of John the Baptist “in those days.” Aug.-Sept. Of 7 B.C.

---Elizabeth conceives John the Baptist. Sept.-Oct. Of 7 B.C. This time being the beginning of God's salvation plan for mankind, Satan's “binding” and the beginning of the 2000 year heavenly reign.

---Elizabeth's hiding for 5 months. Sept.-Oct. of 7 B.C. to Feb.-March of 6 B.C.

---Mary visits Elizabeth in the beginning of her 6th month, and in the beginning “betrothal time” of Mary and Joseph. March-April of 6 B.C.

---The betrothal time ends and Joseph marries Mary. At that time Mary about 3 months along. March-April of 5 B.C.

---The birth of Jesus Christ the Messiah and Savior of the world. Sept.-Oct. Of 5 B.C.*

---The death of Herod, early April of 4 B.C., shortly before Passover on April 11 of 4 B.C.

---Jesus at the temple at Passover time when he was 12 years old. April 29, A.D. 9, time of Passover.

---Beginning of Jesus' ministry when he was about 30 years of age. Sept.-Oct. Of A.D. 26.

---Jesus crucified, died and buried Wednesday afternoon shortly before Passover, beginning Thursday evening on April 7, A.D. 30.

---Pentecost; the pouring out of the Holy Spirit beginning the church age. May 27, A.D. 30.

---The beginning and end of God's salvation plan to bring in the final times prophesied in scripture. This time relates to the heavenly reign, and the binding and loosing of Satan “for a little while” (Rev. 20-3). From Sept.-Oct. Of 7 B.C. To Sept.-Oct. Of 1993 A.D.*

Here we now need to confirm that the “1000 years” was wrongly translated by the scholars, where in reality the heavenly reign, before Satan's release is (and was) to be a 2000 year reign.

We read in Rev. 20-4, "And I saw thrones and they sat upon them; and those that were beheaded on account of the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God." This here refers us to Luke 22-30 and Matt. 19-28 where we read; "And Jesus said unto them, verily I say unto you, that ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory (in heaven), ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." The thrones and those who sat upon them are the apostles and others seen here that died in the Lord. This is part of the first group resurrected while Satan is restricted and bound for a duration of time. The next group resurrected is given in the following words of Rev. 20-4. "And whosoever did not worship the beast nor YET his image (at this resurrection the beast "was not as yet"), and did not receive the mark on their foreheads and on their hands, BOTH (both groups resurrected seen here) lived again and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Verse 5 explains this reign with Christ for a thousand years while Satan is "bound up." But we see that "the rest of the dead (or group to be resurrected) lived not again (were not raised) UNTIL the thousand years be finished," (according to the translation of the “thousand years” given us by the scholars). And it is said that "this is the first resurrection." So we see that what consists of this "1st resurrection" is the first group of whom some would sit on thrones to judge, but all would reign with Christ for a thousand years. Where then after that time, the 2nd group, "the rest of the dead," would be resurrected. As the verse reads, "until the thousand years should be finished." And this is called "the first resurrection." The last part of verse 6 tells us what their station would be; "They shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who hath part in the (this) first resurrection; over these the second death hath not power---." So we see here that there are two resurrections, or groups resurrected in what is called "the first resurrection." Yet, more importantly we see here that they are spaced "a thousand years apart from each other." (following the scholar's translation of the word). We see the 1st group in this "1st resurrection" where some were given thrones and authority reigned with Christ a thousand years. Where the rest of the dead were not resurrected until the “thousand years had ended.” When that time "had ended," they were resurrected to be priests of God and Christ. And they also would reign with Christ for a thousand years. So the text indicates that the first group were given a reign with Christ for a thousand years.

So also would the 2nd group be given a thousand years to reign with Christ in heaven. And this is called "the first resurrection." Yet the translators include both groups resurrected “within” this time period of a “thousand years.”Though in fact there are two groups resurrected, the second group being “after” the period of the “thousand years” that they translated the wording to be. And this time period is called "the first resurrection” by God's inspired Word which indicates a total reign in heaven of not a thousand years, but a reign of two thousand years,and this is called "the thousand years." (by the translators),the first resurrection, the “ thousand years.” (again by the translators of scripture who translated the words “the thousand years”).

The word “thousand” given in Rev. 20-2,3,4,5,6, and 7 is the Greek word “chilioi” which is “ plural.” The “singular” for “thousand” is the Greek word “chilias.” Now if one believes that every word in scripture is the inspired word of God, then there's a very good reason why this plural Greek word “chilioi” are given in these verses, and not “bad Greek” given us by John as some have suggested. This is confirmed by the passages given us, why John used that plural word. The passages clearly show that there are two groups resurrected, where the resurrection “between” each group is spaced far apart from one another. Thus, we see the “thousand “ was wrongly translated by the scholars. The word translated properly should read “thousands years.” Now since the time text given there tell us that there were“ two groups” to be resurrected in this prophetic time sequence, and that the resurrections of these two groups would be spaced far apart between the two, we can know the time given “thousands” (chilioi) is to equal to “two thousand years,” and not “one thousand years.” This wrong belief came about due to improper translation by the scholars.

In Rev. 20-1-2, we see the angel having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand; and bound him (Satan) “a thousand years.” Which should rightly read “a thousands (chilioi) (of) years.” In verse 3 Satan is shut up in the bottomless pit, “and set a seal (God's will, control and authority) upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more,(to gather them for battle; Rev. 16-13-14), till the thousands (chilioi) years should be fulfilled; and after that he must be loosed a little season” (Rev. 9-1). In verse 4, we see in this first group resurrected that some were given thrones to judge, and others that died for “the witness of Jesus and for the word of God.” They had not worshiped the beast, his image, nor received the mark, “and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousands (chilioi) (of those) years.” We read in verse 5, “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousands (chilioi) (of those) years were finished. This (is called) the first resurrection.” Those that have part of this “first resurrection” (V.6) “shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousands (chilioi) (of those) years.”

So we see in these verses that these groups resurrected “during the course of these two thousand years,” for only God knows when they occurred, is considered blessed and holy. (Rev. 20-6), “Blessed and holy (is) he that hath part in the first resurrection (time of 2000 years); on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousands (chilioi) (of those) years.”

It is after that time we read, "And when the thousands (chilioi) (of those) years are completed, Satan shall be LOOSED out of his prison---."(Rev. 9-1). Here John and we are brought back to that time when he would be loosed and how he would be loosed. John was given that revelation in Rev. 9-1-12, where we see that this occurred in the sounding of the 5th trumpet. "And the fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star from heaven fallen to the earth; and there was given to him the key (the authority; key represents authority in scripture) of the pit of the Abyss." The key that the angel held in his hand seen in Rev. 20-1-3 when he had bound Satan up for that duration of time. And here he is to allow Satan to be loosed by giving him the key to unlock the Abyss. To be loosed for a little season. From chapter 9 on, we are told in this book why he must be loosed for a short season, which we know to be the fulfillment of God's will, in order to bring in the coming of his Son Christ, and to destroy all evil, dominion and authority. Rev. 20-7-9 give a short history of the events that we have seen in the prior chapters, then brings us forward again beginning in Rev. 20-10 to 22. "And when the thousands (chilioi) (of those) years are completed, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the battle ------.” (Rev. 16-16;19-19-21).

At that time it would bring in the final times prophesied in scripture to their fulfillment. Then, at a day and hour known only to the Lord, His glorious coming, the cleansing and restitution of all things in order to bring in the eternal state; the new heaven and the new earth.

Here we have presented and brought forth all the historical-biblical evidence which can be seen meets with what we have recorded concerning the prophetic texts that have been given here.


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The on-going controversy, the Genesis Creation account.

 I wish to state up front that I'm certainly not an expert in the field of science, history or archeology, but just a layman. But in my research in evolution, astrology, and Creation, I have found much evidence that refutes the old age creation, which hints of evolution, though one who holds this view may not realize it. I wish to present these findings to the readers out there to decide for themselves their views on this subject.
    Over the last 50 years, scientists who believe in a  6 day creation have made some very interesting discoveries and convincing arguments for a young earth and worldwide biblical account of the flood. A remarkable body of evidence refuting evolutionary notions has been assembled by creationist scientists. They demonstrate that several processes which formally were thought to require long periods of time actually occur rapidly, and testify to a young earth and recent creation.

   The most widely accepted theory of the universe's origin says that at one time all mass and energy were compressed in a “cosmic egg.” Then about 15 billion years ago the egg exploded creating the universe in a Big Bang. Supposedly, the explosion first resulted in radiation which later became matter. The evidence for the Big Bang consists largely of (1) detection of cosmic radiation reaching the earth uniformly from all directions. (2) Wave-length changes in the light emanating from stars (called red shifts), which suggests they are moving away from us and that the universe is therefore expanding. Evolutionists exclude creation by God because supernatural events fall outside the realm of “natural law,” which is what science deals with. But the Big Bang itself violates natural law. The law of physics states that matter and energy can “neither be created nor destroyed.” This is the first law of Thermodynamics, the law of conservation of energy.

  Thus, if evolutionists “allow” for a miraculous event (the Big Bang) beyond natural law, then it is logically “inconsistent” to exclude other events, such as “creation by God.” If there was a “cosmic egg” who put it there? The cosmic chicken? Scientists have always agreed that there is a “cause” for every effect. How then  can the greatest effect of all, the universe itself, have risen without a cause? One problem for the Big Bang is that explosion produces disorder. Example, a hand grenade thrown into a building does not create anything orderly, systematic, or harmonious as is seen in the universe. How can an explosion result in something as orderly as the solar system, with its orbiting planets?

  “Clusters and voids” present another problem for the Big Bang. Galaxy clusters are millions of light years apart. Why is there so much empty space between them? The Big Bang model does not give rise to lumpiness. This model assumes the universe started out as a globally smooth expanding gas. If you apply the laws of physics to this model, you get a universe that is uniform. Yet our universe with its lumps, clumps and clusters say otherwise.
 
  Earth is far from ordinary, and rotates every 24 hours. This keeps the planet evenly heated. Venus, although similar in size, rotates only once every 243 days. If we did the same, half our planet would scorch and the rest would freeze. The tilt of earth's axis of rotation gives us seasons; the northern hemisphere slants toward the sun in summer, away from it in winter. Without this tilt, temperatures in any region would be the same in July as in January. The planet would be much less habitable, and farmland less productive. The oceans absorb heat from the sun during the day, and release it at night, further stabilizing temperatures.

  The atmosphere also filters out ultraviolet light which would be deadly to life. And it burns up the meteors that approach earth every day; with a thinner atmosphere, they would all strike the planet. Oxygen makes up about 21 percent of our air. Without enough oxygen we couldn't breathe, and would have no ozone protective layer.  Yet with to much oxygen, the excess would burn up many biochemicals, adversely affecting life, fires would be abundant, and metals would quickly rust. Only 0.03 percent of the atmosphere is carbon dioxide, but its vital to plant growth and climate stability. Dramatically changing the concentration in either direction would be disastrous.

  Then there is our water supply, vital to life, and absent on other planets. Earth has a nice balance between oceans and dry land, but only because of our rugged topography. Without raised continents and low ocean basins, that is, if all terrain had a uniform elevation, then water would cover the earth to a height of over one mile. Then we have gravity. Without it, there would be no tides and rain wouldn't fall. The atmospheric gases would be lost, we and everything else would fly off the planet, and the earth would not revolve around the sun.

  Another factor, if earth traveled much faster, centrifugal force would drive us away from the sun, much slower we'd be drawn toward it. Then there's our magnetic field, which protects us from cosmic rays and solar winds. And there's the remarkable balance of living things. For example, if birds did not eat insects, keeping their population in check, insects would proliferate, and decimate the world's vegetation. More could be said, but clearly innumerable circumstances must be just right for earth to sustain life. Concerning the theory of evolution, Creation scientist Stuart Nevins put it well: “It is somewhat like supposing that Mona Lisa came into existence from globs of paint hurled at a canvas.” In other words it is all guesswork and theory. Unfortunately these theories to often become “fact” once brought forth and published.

  The sun is aging, it is not a constant. As it gives us energy, it loses that energy at 4 million tons per second. The math research, if accurate, and it is said to be, meant that  a hundred thousand years ago, the sun would have been twice its size, making life nearly impossible, if not impossible to exist, let alone millions of years. One hundred million years ago when dinosaurs were supposedly roaming about, the size of the sun would have extended well beyond where earth is today and then. In other words, at that time the earth would have been a part of the sun, where obviously it would no longer exist as a planet. This alone, if correct, shatters the theory of the alleged age of our planet and evolution's theory.

  Comets were presumably formed at the same time as the solar system (about 5 billion years old). But they disintegrate considerably as they orbit near the sun. Some comets have been observed breaking apart. So how could they last for 5 billion years? Research shows by comparing the number of meteorites in the earth to the rate at which they fall, it can be roughly estimated concerning our planet's age. The scarcity of meteorites, they found, suggests that earth is only several thousands of years old. They are found only in very recent uppermost terrain. If the earth's layers slowly formed over millions of years, as evolutionists say, they should be full of meteorites.

  Also, Helium leaks through the earth's crust at a measurable rate and enters the atmosphere, and the helium in the atmosphere comprises only a small fraction, five parts per million. Some helium escapes in outer space, but it must overcome gravity's pull, and cannot escape as quickly as it enters. The problem becomes then that there should be a lot more helium if the earth is billions of years old. A research study of the “Helium flux through the atmosphere” makes a strong case that helium accumulation limits the earth's age to about 10,000 years.

  Another research study found these facts. The earth is a giant magnet, that's why compasses work. In 1967, a study found that the magnetic field's intensity had decreased by 7 percent since first being measured in 1829. The report predicted that if the decay continued at the same rate, earth's magnetic field would vanish by the year 3991. So this tells us that the field was previously stronger. Therefore, if the planet is billions of years old, the magnetic field would have been impossibly high in ages past, making life utterly impossible. A model by researchers shows how, even taking possible fluctuations into account, the magnetic field limits the earth's age to roughly 10,000 years.

  An intriguing theory by creationist scientists research has proposed which involves a black hole cosmology, with a bounded universe, an initial water mass, and Einstein's theory of general relativity. This cosmology allows for a literal six day creation in the frame of reference of the earth (which is taken here to be somewhere in the vicinity of the center of the universe), thus allowing sufficient time for star-light (light traveling at a 186,000 miles per second) to have traveled distances of billions of light years in order to reach the earth today. It also allows for an expanding universe and red shifts such as are observed today. This theory offers a viable alternative to the Big Bang theory, and solves the longstanding problem of “light travel time” in a recent creation of the universe.

  An entirely legitimate question is how we could possibly see stars millions and billions of light years away if the earth is so young? Part of the reason creation scientists have in seeking these answers is drawn from good science with a belief and understanding of the Bible. This answer is drawn from important clues from the Bible, while applying general relativity. The result is a universal model that differs from the Big Bang models in two essential respects. First it does not assume the so-called cosmological principle evolutionists stand by, and second, it invokes or brings in inflation at a different point or time in cosmological history.

 As noted,the most widely accepted theory of the universe's origin says that at one time all mass and energy were compressed in a “cosmic egg.” Then about 15 billion years ago the egg exploded creating the universe in a Big Bang. Supposedly, the explosion first resulted in radiation which later became matter. The evidence for the Big Bang consists largely of (1) detection of cosmic radiation reaching the earth uniformly from all directions. (2) Wave-length changes in the light emanating from stars (called red shifts), which suggests they are moving away from us and that the universe is therefore expanding. Evolutionists exclude creation by God because supernatural events fall outside the realm of “natural law,” which is what science deals with. But the Big Bang itself violates natural law. The law of physics states that matter and energy can “neither be created nor destroyed.” This is the first law of Thermodynamics, the law of conservation of energy.
 
  The Big Bang principle is the assumption that the universe has no edge, boundary or center, therefore an expanding and open universe. This assumption allows simple solutions of Einstein's equations of general relativity. And these solutions form the basis of all Big Bang models. But there is growing observational evidence that this assumption is simply not true. A recent article in the journal “Nature” for example, describes an analysis of galaxy distribution to large distances in the cosmos that contradicts this crucial Big Bang assumption.

  Therefore, if instead the cosmos has a “center” then its early history is “radically different” from that of all Big Bang models. Its beginning would be that of a massive black hole containing its entire mass. Such a mass distribution has a whopping gradient in “gravitational potential” which profoundly effects the local physics (its immediate areas), including the speed of clocks or time. In other words “effecting time itself.” Clocks near the center of the black hole would run much more slowly, or even be stopped during that earliest portion of the universe history's creation. Since the heavens on a large scale are isotropic from the vantage point of the earth, the earth must be near the “center” of such a universe. Light from the outer edge of such a universe, at its center of its early creation would reach it (the earth) in a brief time as measured by clocks. And in regard to the “timing of the universe's inflation,” this creation model has inflation occurring “after” stars and galaxies form( see Gen. 1-14-19, the making of the heavenly bodies on the 4th day: Sun, moon, stars, and beginnings of time).

  It is worthy to note here, that recently two astrophysics groups studying high red shift type 1A supernova both concluded that cosmic expansion is greater now then when these stars first exploded. The article in the June 1998 issue of “Physics Today” describes these as “astonishing results” which has caused “quite a stir in the astrophysics community.”

  It should not be so surprising for the Bible repeatedly speaks of God “stretching” out the heavens. “O Lord my God, you are very great---stretching out heaven as a curtain” (Ps. 104-1-2). “Thus says God the Lord who created the heavens and stretched them out” (Isa. 42-5). “It was I who made the earth and created man upon it. I stretched out the heavens with my hands, and I ordained all their host” (Isa. 45-12).

  It is commonly claimed that there were “many” ice ages, however evidence shows that one ice age appears much more likely. This is seen by the advance and retreat of a single ice sheet, where there are seen “drift-less areas” showing “no evidence of glaciers at all,” as in southwest Wisconsin. This strongly weighs against multiple ice ages, and against evolution and the fossil record. For nearly all of the extinctions of large mammals occurred after the last ice age. Therefore, how could they have survived multiple ice ages over a 2-3 million year period, and then go extinct after the last one?

  Most scientists agree and have calculated from evidence found that the last ice age occurred about 10,000 years or so ago. Which agrees with all the facts and evidence given by many scientists in different fields and books written on these subjects, that the earth is certainly not much older than 10,000 years or so. Which is the approximate date given of the last (one and only) ice age. And certainly not as many claim as being billions of years old.

  When God created the universe he brought it into full operation as if “it had existed for many years.” The various parts of the universe, the stars, the animals, and the first man and woman were given an apparent age, even though they were created in a moment of time. We are told that in 2 Peter 3-3-6. “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, and saying, where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation. For this they willfully are ignorant of that by the word of God the heavens were (created) of old (given an age), and the earth standing out of the water and in the water (the waters above and below); whereby the world that then was (in Noah's time) being overflowed with water perished.”

  Was there a great flood? Evolutionists will allow for other catastrophes, like a big asteroid wiping out the dinosaurs, but the Flood, no way! During the 1997 Pathfinder Mission to Mars, “Science” reported that the first images found evidence and confirmed their suspicions that billions of years ago a great flood swept the region. Yet Mars is dry, it has no water except for tiny traces of water vapor in its atmosphere, and it has polar caps of undetermined composition. Nevertheless scientists say it once had “a great flood.” On the other hand, more than 70% of earth is covered with water, but a great flood here, nah, impossible! For after all that would agree with the Bible.

  Yet the Bible provides a rational explanation. The flood would have brought about eruption of the thousands of now dormant volcanoes as the Biblical “waters below” gushed out and “all the springs of the great deep burst forth.” The earth's interior is hot, with these volcanic eruptions, the springs of the great deep and the oceans would become much warmer. And warmer oceans mean more evaporation and precipitation. Thus causing the floodgates of heaven to open. The Bible says there was “water under” when earth was created, and when the flood came “all the springs of the great deep (the earth) burst forth.” We know springs yield water and deep sea exploration have revealed they are common to the ocean floor. And the Bible's description is one of great quantity and great force, most likely implying volcanic activity. Few volcanoes are active now, but thousands of extinct ones exist over every area of the globe. Thus the flood were from combined waters from above and below.

  Where did the waters go? The earth's original surface may have been relatively smooth. For the Bible says that after the flood, “the mountains rose, the valleys sank down.” The valleys sinking down would cause ocean basins to form. It also explains why mountains today have so many marine fossils. And where did the water go? Take a walk to the ocean, you'll be looking at it. Seventy two percent of the earth's surface is covered with water.

  As noted, the scientists who believe in the Biblical Creation by God draw their science research and conclusions based on their faith in God's word and important clues seen there. They have made some very interesting discoveries, which bring their views to be, at its creation, a bounded universe with an initial water mass, with the earth being created somewhere in the vicinity of the center of the universe we see around us today. Thus this would also allow sufficient time for starlight to have traveled distances of billions of light years to reach the earth today. Also it allows for an expanding universe and the red shifts that we observe today. This model also agrees with Einstein's theory of general relativity. Most importantly, their research shows that at its creation, at or near its center, that being earth, clocks would move very slowly, or even be stopped at that earliest time of creation.

  Where then this model allows for the timing concerning inflation, or “the stretching out of the heavens.” The second creation model has inflation occurring “after” the stars and galaxies formed. This is seen in Gen. 1-14-19, where on the 4th day is seen the making of the heavenly bodies. When looking to the scripture verses of the creation account, we can see an agreement given with the creation model that the scientist's research have come up with. This is confirmed by the Lord's word in different scripture verses given of the “Lord's stretching out the heavens.” This stretching out of the heavens scientists call inflation where light would take billions of years to reach us. Again, this can be seen in Gen. 1-14-19 where God made the heavenly bodies on the 4th day. The sun, moon and stars which began time. It began the time of the days, months, seasons and years as the context states.

  Gen. 1-1 to 2-1 gives us the creation account or phases of that creation that occurred in those six days. As we follow the Biblical account, we will apply the model that the creationist scientists have come up with to see how this model fits with God's creation account given us in Genesis.

  Gen. 1-1, “In the beginning God created the heaven* and the earth.” This creation marks the very beginning of the making of the material earth. This beginning creation therefore marks the creating of matter and energy that created the heaven and the earth.

  The Hebrew word for “heaven” is “samayim,” and is used in context to mean either singular, “heaven,” or plural “heavens.” Depending on the context, it is also used for “sky” where birds fly (Deut. 4-17). Where snow and rain comes from (Isa. 55-10; Joshua 10-11; Gen. 8-2). The meaning of “samayim”/heaven is seen in Gen. 1-7-8 where God made the firmament and divided the waters under the firmament from the waters above the firmament. And God called the “firmament” samayim/heaven. Samayim also represents the realm in which the sun, moon and stars are located. “And God said, let there be lights (sun, moon, stars) in the firmament (heaven/samayim) to divide the day from the night.” So since the word “heaven” in Gen. 1-1,8,14,15,17 and 20 by the context given speaks of heaven in the singular, it is best to see and follow the inspired word in that way. Gen. 2-1 gives us that sure indication, for there we read: “Thus the heavens* (plural) and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.” We see here only “after the completion” of the creation is the word “heavens” given in the plural. For all was completed and seen as one whole unit. Where before its completion they are seen as separate realms as the context dictates to us. In this way we are given a clearer picture of these phases of creation in those six days.

  So when looking to Gen. 1-1, we see it as marking the very beginning of the making of the material world and its heaven. The creation model we are following states that the creation began at or near the universe's center. So here, this center or near center is seen as “earth and its immediate vicinity (heaven) thereof. So in this phase we would see “heaven” as not being the entire universe as such, but only the heaven in the earth's vicinity at the center of the universe in its beginnings.

  Gen. 1-2, “And the earth was without form, and void, and darkness (was) upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved (hovered over) upon the face of the waters.” Without “form and void”, Hebrew “tohu wabohu” means unformed and unfilled. This describes the condition of earth after the first act of creation, the creation of matter, energy and a water mass. This agrees with the creation scientist's model. “Deep” refers to the water covering the earth at that time.

  Gen. 1-3-5, “And God said, Let there be light; and there was light. And God saw the light, that (it was) good; and God divided (separated, stretched) the light from the darkness. And God called the light day, and the darkness he called night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. The “light” created here from the darkness and separated from, “the evening and morning,” God calls “Day.” The “light” created here is not the sun that gives earth the light of day, but a “light source” outside of the earth. This can be seen where God divided/separated this light source from the “darkness of the earth.” For the earth was still in darkness and without form at this time as is seen in Gen. 1-2. This agrees with the creation model that God separated/stretched out the heavens and the light far from the earth. The “lights” that were created on the 4th day seen in Gen. 1-14-19, the sun, moon and stars, is that which began the time; the evenings and mornings called “days” for us and the universe.

  Gen. 1-6-8, the second day. “And God said, Let there be a firmament (expanse/separation) in the midst of the waters, and let it divide (separate) the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament and divided the waters which (were) under the firmament from the waters which (were) above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.” This firmament/expanse between the waters above and below would become the Seas below and the Clouds above which holds and brings water masses upon the earth. The firmament called heaven here by God is our sky and upper atmosphere that holds these waters above from the waters below. This agrees with the creation model of this beginning creation as having not only matter and energy, but a large water mass also.

  Gen. 1-9-13, the third day. “And God said, Let the waters under the heaven (on the earth) be gathered together unto one place and let the dry (land) appear; and it was so. And God called the dry (land) Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas; and God saw that (it was) good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed (and) the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed (is) in itself upon the earth; and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, (and) herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed (was) in itself, after his kind; and God saw that (it was) good. And the evening and the morning were the third day.”

  On this third day we see the making of the Seas and the appearing of dry land. There we see the Lord's creation of vegetation on the earth as well. Though on this 3rd day the earth was still without the sun, the vegetation would survive, for the following day, day 4, the Lord would give the life source, the sun, it would require in order to survive. It should be noted here that evolutionists claim that “all plants and animals” developed over hundreds of millions of years from a single speck of life, originating “in the ocean.” But Gen. 1-20 speaks and confirms otherwise, for it not only dates the creation of marine life in “its 5th day”, but that they were created “after” the creation of the life of plants, grass and fruit trees, which were created “in the 3rd day.”

  Gen. 1-14-19, the fourth day. “And God said, Let there be lights (plural; context shows different light source divided and sent out from earth in Gen. 1-3) in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night (for the earth); and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven (our solar system) to give light upon the earth; and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; the stars also (he created). And God set them (placed them) in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth. And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide (separate) the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning was the fourth day.”

  This here again agrees with the creation model that the time of inflation which includes starlight as occurring “after” the creation of stars, which would then take millions of years for its light to reach us today. Whether we follow the separating or stretching out of the light or lights on the 1st or 4th day, it still agrees with the creation model, when applying and following the word of God with their principles and research.

  Gen. 1-20-23, the fifth day. Here we see God creating animal life in the sea and the fowls of the air. The fowls to fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven here is to mean our sky.

  Gen. 1-24-25, the sixth day. In this 6th day the Lord created living creatures after their own kind. In that same 6th day the Lord created  man and woman as we are told in Gen. 1-26-28. “And God said, Let us make man in our image ( In the image of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit), after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his (own) image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, be fruitful and multiply, and replenish (fill) the earth, and subdue it; and  have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”

  Gen. 2-1, “Thus the heavens (plural; the universe) and the earth were finished and all the host of them.”

  Gen. 2-4, “These are the generations (its creation history) of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day* that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.”

  Isa. 45-12, “It is I who made the earth and created man upon it. I stretched out the heavens with my hands, and I ordained all their host.”

  As noted, it is commonly claimed that there were multiple ice ages, with the last ice age occurring approximately 10,000 years or so ago. However it has been found that one ice age appears to be more likely by the advance and retreat of a single ice sheet during climatic changes. By evidence seen where there are “drift-less” areas showing no evidence of glaciers at all, as in southwest Wisconsin. Strongly weighing against multiple ice ages, as also does fossil and other archaeological evidence. The same can be said of the fossil and archaeological evidence found concerning human origin beginnings. All evidence found to date shows that mankind has only existed for 10,000 years or so ago, which agrees with the approximate time of the earth's ice age given by scientists in those fields of research.

  It is also commonly held that about 10,000 B.C. (about 12,000 years ago), a climate somewhat like today's began to return, and continued to persist. As the ice sheets and glaciers melted, the sea began to rise. But at the height of the ice age, the ice sheets covered almost one quarter of the earth's present land surface. In the northern hemisphere, they reached as far south as Berlin, London and Chicago. The huge quantities of water locked up in these ice sheets were no longer available to fall as rain (see Gen. 2-5).

  About 9/10,000 B.C. (about 12,000 years ago) the first evidence of man's origin is seen in the near east as the melting of the ice sheets released water that had been frozen, and increased over-all humidity.Releasing water in  the hills and mountains of the near east, the Zagros, Taurus and Palestinian uplands. The next evidence of man's origins is the sowing of cereals found at sites in northern Syria around 9,000 B.C. Shortly afterward, about 8500 B.C., the first fully domesticated cereals made their appearance at Jericho in the Jordan Valley. Jericho was a town of 10 acres, and was a farming village surrounded by a stone wall. By 7000 B.C., wheat and barley cultivation was widely established throughout the near east. From Anatolia to the Zagros mountains and spread shortly afterwards, to Greece and the Indus Valley.

  Farming was introduced to Greece and Bulgaria around 6500 B.C., and by 5500 B.C. Agricultural communities had grown up along the banks of the River Danube. From this point the spread was rapid, reaching the Paris basin in little more than 500 years (from 5300-4750 B.C.).


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Key to the Disputed Time Gap and meaning of Daniel's Seventy Sevens.

A major argument between Preterists and Dispensationalists is the so-called "time gap" between the 69th and 70th seven of Daniel 9-26-27. Those who oppose, the Preterists, argue that it is not supported anywhere in scripture. Are they correct? If so this would make those who believe and insist in a time gap (the futurists) to be in error in their teachings, and rightly so. Yet if it can be seen and "supported by scripture", then the preterists would be wrong in their teachings, and rightly so. Therefore those who truely wish to find the Biblical truth, can see how vital and important it is concerning this major issue called the "time gap" of  Daniel's 70th seven. For the answer would have tremendous consequences on the teachings and doctrines of either the preterist or futurists' camps. In all fairness, it will be noted here that I do not hold to the majority of Full preterist teachings, nor do I hold to the majority of the Dispensationalist's teachings on eschatology. I hold only to the teachings of what God's Holy Inspired Word reveals, and hold to that only, the rest I discard. 

Full Preterists believe that the text of the gospel prophecies, particularly those found in the Olivet Discourse, and all Old Testament prophecy were fulfilled by 70 A.D. In essence  all prophecy seen throughout the scriptures. Whereas partial preterists believe that all but Christ"s second coming, the resurrection of the dead, and the gathering of the elect which accompany it have not yet occurred in history. Unlike full preterists, partial preterists place these things in the future.

Preterists also hold that all of the New Testament books were written prior to 70 A.D., including the book of Revelation. This is essential to their theory because if prophetic texts such as Revelation were written after 70 A.D. they could no longer assert that prophecies concerning such things seen there took place in 70 A.D.

Since Matthew 24 is so critical to the Full Preterist's argument and is the chief proof-text upon which its system rests, it becomes vital to determine if their interpretation of Matthew 24 is correct. Before we discuss Matthew 24 and related passages, we must talk about the eschatological anticipation of the Old Testament and the role it played with the Jews of Jesus' day concerning the coming of the Messiah. What kind of picture does the Old Testament, without the aid of the New Testament, paint for us concerning the coming of the Messiah? Second, what did the Jews of Jesus' day anticipate would occur when the Messiah came? The answers to these questions will accomplish two things: First, they will aid in our interpretation of passages like Matthew 24 because they will help us to understand how the disciples thought at that moment. This will help us understand what they meant when they asked, "When will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" (Matt. 24-3). We must always seek to understand the context by asking some key questions: Who is speaking? To whom are they speaking? About what are they speaking? In what manner are they speaking? How would their original audience have understood them?  We want to know what Jesus intended the disciples to learn from his words, and why Matthew included them in his gospel.  Matthew's theme in his gospel is that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah that brings the kingdom of heaven to earth and his intended audience is Jewish. Matthew's readers did not need Jewish customs explained, they knew all about them. Matthew intended for his Jewish readers to understand that Jesus is the Messiah, the promised Son of David, who brings the promised kingdom, but it is a heavenly kingdom, not an earthly one. The answers to these questions will help us to build the framework for addressing the more difficult issues posed by full preterism, to sufficiently recognize the distinction between what the Old Testament promised concerning the coming of the Messiah and what the New Testament explains about its fulfillment.

For the Jews of Jesus' day, the coming of the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God meant "to the Jews" that the Messiah would rule from David's throne in Jerusalem bringing with it restoration, comfort and peace to the nation of Israel, and judgment to her enemies. Jesus' definition of the kingdom of God caught the Jews off guard. Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, Here it is, or There it is, because the kingdom of God is within (among) you" (Luke 17-20). They expected a literal fulfillment to the covenant promise God made with David and missed the point that what God had promised to David would find its complete fulfillment beginning in a "spiritual nation" under the New Covenant, the church (1 Peter 2-9-10). Ending in its complete fulfillment with the New Heavens and New Earth when God's judgment over all enemies is complete. (Revelation chapters 21-22).

The Davidic Covenant can also be seen in Jeremiah 31-31-40. We read in verse 31, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah;---." In verse 35 he promises that if the sun, moon, and stars cease to shine, only then will "the seed of Israel also cease from being A NATION before me forever." This is clearly to mean a "literal earthly nation of Israel." we read the fulfillment of this promise in verses 38-40: "Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord---." Like we read in Jeremiah, the Davidic covenant has these same promises in this New Covenant. The promise that Israel would never cease to be a nation while the earth continues, is indicated by the disciple's question, which they scripturally understood, that we read in Acts 1-6; "---Lord are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?" Which is also the reason why Jesus answered their question in the way he did: "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons (literal earthly times and seasons), which the Father hath put in his own power. But (meantime) ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you (then you shall understand); and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Note here, that Jesus did not give the disciples a direct answer to their question concerning the kingdom being restored to Israel. That the literal kingdom of Israel would not, nor would ever be restored to Israel. If that were to be he would have told them that then and there, but since they would "in time" become a literal nation again is why Jesus responded in the way he did. That "the time" of "when it was to be restored" was "in his Father's power only"; was the answer he gave the disciples. But meantime they would receive the power of the Holy Spirit to spread the gospel throughout the world, in what we call the church age. God in his time would keep his promise of restoring them as a literal nation again, and we have seen that fulfillment in our time.  The time of this restoration would be fulfilled during the course of the church age and after the events of Luke 21-20-24 are fulfilled. "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh" (v.20). We then read in verse 24, "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations; and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, UNTIL THE TIME OF THE GENTILES BE FULFILLED."

It can be seen that at the time of the ascension of Christ, the disciples were not clear "how this promise of Christ's kingdom would be fulfilled." Thus their question was not whether Christ would bring in or restore the kingdom, but rather "when" he would "restore" the kingdom (a nation kingdom) to Israel. He told them that it was not for them to know the times (of this prophecy) set by the Father. In effect, Christ confirmed that the prophesied restoration of the kingdom of Israel would in time occur. The question asked Christ here is important to understand concerning "what" was to be "restored?" They were not asking for a "spiritual restoration," but rather the prophesied restoration of "Israel's return to their land as a kingdom again, predicted in the Old Testament." The disciples obviously had difficulty in understanding that prior to the restoration of Israel, the present age would need to be fulfilled to a point, in which Gentiles would be brought in; this being the church age. This question came up in the Council of Jerusalem as recorded in Acts 15. In solving the problem, James quoted the prophecy of Amos 9-11-12. James concluded that scriptural prophecy indicated that there would be a time of Gentile blessing before the restoration of Israel as a kingdom could be brought in. This of course, is exactly what has occurred to this present age.

We first need to note that Jesus prophesied that the temple would be destroyed in Luke chapter 21. Whereas Matthew chapters 24-25 and Mark 13 both contain a discourse which occurs later in the evening on the Mount of Olives, hence the name, the Olivet Discourse. Luke 21, while containing some of the same aspects, is significantly different from Matthew and Mark. The first difference is that the basic framework of Matthew and Mark is missing from Luke.  Matthew and Mark both possess sections which mention the beginning of birth pains, Matthew 24:4-8, Mark 13:5-8, the preaching of the gospel in the midst of persecution unto the end of the age, Matthew 24:9-14, Mark 13:9-13, and the section in Matthew 24:15-31, Mark 13:14-27, containing the clear sequence of ; 1. The Abomination of desolation, 2. The great tribulation, 3. the cosmic signs, 4. The coming of Christ, 5. The gathering of the elect. But Jesus' immediate response to the crowd recorded in Luke 21, occurred earlier in the day and not on the Mount of Olives.

In Luke, we have some description of those things which are described as birth pains in Matthew and Mark, but they are not designated as such. In Luke, we have persecution, but there is no mention that the gospel will be preached during this time of persecution for a witness " in all nations and then the end [of the age] will come. "The Abomination of Desolation, Daniel the prophet, the Great Tribulation, and the Gathering of the Elect are nowhere to be found in Luke 21. We do have mention of signs in the sun, moon, and stars, but not specifically what those signs will be. We also have mention of the Coming of the Son of Man. Also, there is no mention of the Discourse beginning on the Mt. of Olives in Luke. Jesus responds directly to the crowd speaking of a number of things including false Christs, wars, earthquakes, famines, pestilences, and even great signs from heaven. He then talks about persecution for those who believe in Him. Then Jesus answers the question posed to Him concerning the destruction of the temple to the general public. He tells all who are standing in the temple court that when Jerusalem is surrounded by armies that the destruction (of which He had just spoken) is near. Every person clearly understood what Jesus the Prophet from Nazareth was saying. In the not too distant future, armies will surround Jerusalem and the temple will be desolated. Jesus goes on to say that this will begin a dispersion for Israelites during a time period which Jesus terms "the times of the Gentiles". Note that these comments are unique to Luke.

We see in Luke that the sign they asked for concerning the destruction of the Temple was given. The sign being that Jerusalem will be surrounded by armies. But then Jesus goes on to describe other events. After verse 24, the narrative continues. But there is a break in the text at that very point. The narration from verse 25 through 36 may very well be from a later point in time as Jesus is speaking only with His disciples. It is also possible that Jesus spoke these words in the hearing of the crowds as well. Either way, the main topic of this discourse was the destruction of the temple. The culmination is clearly seen  in verse 24. The main point still stands that Luke lays out Jesus' initial response as "occurring at the temple." Then "later on in the evening" when four of Jesus' disciples come to Him privately, the subject is slightly different. While we do not have the words in Mark, Matthew points out that the disciples are inquiring concerning "two things" which He had also spoken of throughout His ministry on different occasions. Those two things are His Coming and the End of the Age. The disciples' curiosity is peaked, for earlier they had heard Jesus speaking of those things in front of the crowds concerning the destruction of the temple. After this inquiry of his coming and the end of the age by the disciples, the response is what we know as the Olivet Discourse whose main subject is the coming of Christ not the destruction of the Temple since Jesus had already given those details in front of the crowds earlier.

Now at this point we shall begin to give scriptural evidence that can be seen concerning the "prophetic time gap" in the text of Dan. 9-24-27 itself. But first, following that the 70 weeks refer to 490 years, it is necessary to decide by what calendar and sequence the prophecy is to be measured. The possible interpretations of the calendar include the following:

--The Julian/ Gregorian calendar: Measurement of the new year from January 1st is nowhere found in scripture therefore cannot be used.

--The Exile calendar: This calendar began the new year in Nisan in the spring and was in use at the time the decrees were issued. It is the same as the Persian reckoning of the new year and the reign of their kings. The Second Temple calendar at the time of Jesus also began the year in Nisan. Most likely the calendar of the seventy weeks.

--The diaspora calendar: This calendar began the new year in the fall month of Tishri. It does not appear as a calendar of scripture except indirectly. This calendar is incorrectly used in many interpretations of the seventy weeks.

--The prophetic year: A prophetic year of 360 days has been suggested as the method of reckoning of the seventy weeks. The "new year" would regress 5 to 6 days each year. This mystical year is not found in scripture, but only supported by a particular interpretation and comparison of passages in Daniel (Dan. 12-6) and the Revelation (Rev. 12-6;12-14;13-5).

The End of the Seventy Weeks.

The interpretations that include Jesus as the fulfillment of the prophecy of the seventy weeks will be considered here as we continue. These all center around the crucifixion of Jesus in 30, 31, or 33 A.D.

The seventy weeks are given in the sequence of seven, sixty two, and one seven. The interpretations here to be considered take the first sixty nine weeks "unbroken," and without a satisfactory explanation of the seven and sixty two sevens. In the interpretation to be given using the Diaspora calendar the seventieth week is in sequence and divided by the crucifixion of Jesus in the middle of the week. In the interpretation using the "prophetic year" calendar, the sixty nine weeks end with Jesus being hailed as king five days before his crucifixion. The last seven years are then discontinuous until the future time of the tribulation preceding the second coming of Jesus Christ.

The following dates have been suggested as pertinent to the chronology of Daniel's seventy sevens. They will be given in order to serve as potential reference points.
605 B.C. --Jeremiah's prediction of Judah's captivity. First captives deported to Babylon, Daniel being one among them.

587 B.C. --God's word came to Jeremiah promising the re-inhabiting of Jerusalem.

586 B.C. --Jerusalem fell, the first temple was destroyed, and most of the remaining Jews were deported to Babylon.

558 B.C. --Cyrus II (the great) became king of Persia and enlarged his kingdom to include Media (among others).

539 B.C. --Cyrus' general, Gobryas, attacked the Babylonians.
538 B.C. --Gobryas defeats Babylon, kills Belshazzar, & becomes king (a.k.a., Darius the Mede). During this time Daniel receives the "Seventy Weeks" prophecy, and the time Cyrus decreed an end to the Jewish captivity allowing the rebuilding of the temple.

536 B.C. --Foundations of the second temple were laid, thus ending the 70 year captivity (605-536).

458 B.C. --Artaxerxes' decree to rebuild temple.
445 B.C. --Artaxerxes' decree to rebuild Jerusalem.

The four decrees that are often discussed in relation to Daniel 9:24-26:
1. The decree from Cyrus in 538 BC. (see Ezra 1:1-4).
2. The decree from Darius in 520 BC. (see Ezra 5:3-7).
3. The decree from Artaxerxes to Ezra in 458 BC. (see Ezra 7:11-16).
4. The decree from Artaxerxes to Nehemiah in 445 BC. (see Nehemiah 2:1-8).

Now since these times are highly important to the prophecy of Daniel's seventy weeks, there is a need here to correct, if need be, the ascension dates on their thrones that would effect and concern the decrees and times given by them that we read in scripture concerning those times.

--Decree of Cyrus, 538 B.C.: In the 1st year of Cyrus' reign, he issued a decree to allow the Jews to return to Jerusalem and "rebuild the house of God." (2 Chron. 36-22-23; Ezra 1-1-4). Isaiah had prophesied that God would forgive Israel and that Cyrus would be the instrument of his forgiveness (Isa. 44-21 to 45-7). The sacrifices were re-instituted on Tishri 1, or September 17, 538 B.C. (Ezra 3-6). But the foundation of the temple was not laid yet. It was not until the 2nd year of Cyrus' reign in the second month in 536 B.C. of their return to Jerusalem was the foundation of the temple laid. (Ezra 3-8 to 4-4). Ezra 4-5 tell us that the temple would not be built "until the reign of Darius king of Persia." (Ezra 5-5;6-1).

--Decree of Darius, 520 B.C.: The work on the foundation of the second temple began in the 2nd year of Darius' reign (Haggai 1-1), completed on the 24th day of the 9th month (Haggai 2-18), or December 18, 520 B.C. The Persian governor objected and appealed to Darius. King Darius issued a decree to search for the decree of Cyrus which confirmed that he did allow the Jews to rebuild the temple (Ezra 6-1-12. Darius confirmed that Cyrus' decree related to the return of the Jews, and the rebuilding of the temple, not the city of Jerusalem. The temple was completed "in the sixth year of the reign of Darius," March 12, 515 B.C. (Ezra 6-15).

--First decree of Artaxerxes, 465 B.C.: To prevent the rebuilding of Jerusalem counselors were hired to petition the kings of Persia from the days of Cyrus until the reign of Artaxerxes. He became king at the death of Xerxes sometime by August of 465 B.C., or shortly after that. Since the decrees of Cyrus and Darius did not allow the rebuilding of Jerusalem, Artaxerxes stated, "So, now issue a decree to make these men stop work, that the city may not be rebuilt until a decree is issued by me." (Ezra 4-4-23).

--Second decree of Artaxerxes, April 8, 458: Artaxerxes issued a second decree, but added to the decree of Cyrus it was to "adorn the house of the Lord which is in Jerusalem." The king commissioned Ezra with authority to return to Jerusalem to bring civil and religious order among the people of the new community, along with finances to furnish the temple which the returned captives had rebuilt.(Ezra 7-11-27). The decree is dated as Nisan 1 in the 7th year of Artaxerxes (Ezra 7-8-9), or April 8, 458 B.C. The decree did not overturn his first decree that prohibited the rebuilding of the city of Jerusalem.

--Third decree of Artaxerxes, April 13, 445 B.C.: In the month of Nisan in his 20th year (Neh. 2-1) Artaxerxes issued letters (a decree) to allow the rebuilding of the city of Jerusalem (Neh. 2-1-8). This decree overturned the decree of 520 B.C.

Here we shall give the two interpretations that the majority of Christians hold too.

The most conventional interpretation begins the seventy weeks, or 490 years with the 2nd decree of Artaxerxes on April 8, 458 B.C. The Diaspora calendar is used in doing this, which makes the beginning of the year Tishri of 457 B.C. By this reckoning the first 69 weeks, or 483 years ends in the fall of 26 A.D. Where the beginning of Jesus' ministry is dated to that time, followed by three and a half years to his crucifixion. Where then the final seven years are marked in the middle by Jesus' crucifixion in the spring of 30 A.D. The following three and a half years end with the stoning of Stephen and the dispersion of the new church.

The difficulties with this interpretation include: The starting point that is followed with the second decree of Artaxerxes. The starting point should be from "a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem." The second decree of Artaxerxes was given in order that the temple be adorned and to have a civil and religious structure of laws to bring order to the community as a people and nation in order that they may grow and prosper. Artaxerxes' first decree was still in effect that prohibited the rebuilding of the city.

The use of the Diaspora calendar is not valid. The Jews and the Persians used a calendar that began the year in Nisan (March-April). Therefore the end of the 69 weeks would be in Nisan of 26 A.D. Which leaves a gap of 6 months until the proposed beginning of Jesus' ministry said to be in the fall of 26 A.D.

In following this Diaspora calendar dating they use, the beginning of Jesus ministry would be in the fall of 26 A.D., where Jesus' ministry ends three and a half years later in Nisan of 30 A.D., making it the 1st half of the 70th seven. But the Diaspora calendar used is not valid, the new year began in Nisan 26 A.D. Therefore the three and a half year ministry they follow falls short by 6 months, or the crucifixion of Jesus would have had to occur in the fall of 30 A.D., and scripture validates otherwise. So their proposed use of the 1st half of this final seven cannot be validated.

The following three and a half years ends the 70th seven which is the time of the stoning of Stephen and the dispersion of the church is also a stretch and assumption. The resurrection of Jesus followed by the first conversions of 3,000 (Acts 2-41) and 5,000 (Acts 4-4) would have quickly created a mix of joy, wonder or anger among those in Jerusalem. The murderous mood of the chief priests that led to Jesus' crucifixion was only heightened by the preaching of Peter, the apostles, and their many disciples. The Jewish leaders would not have allowed such a challenge to their traditional teachings to continue for a long length of time. The momentum the young church gained in the first months culminated in the death of Stephen, probably about six months later by the accounts given in Acts. That one to over three years might be included at this time for the growth of the church does not fit the context of events described in Acts chapters 3-6.

This second interpretation begins with the 3rd decree of Artaxerxes that allowed the rebuilding of Jerusalem. They date the decree as being Nisan 1, on March 5 of 444 B.C. The year is then calculated using a "prophetic year" of 360 days. The first 69 weeks equals 69 times 7 times 360, or 173, 880 days. This ends exactly on March 30, 33 A.D. That day was Nisan 10, the day of the triumphal entry of Jesus into Jerusalem (Matt. 21-9). Jesus was then "cut off" later in that week. The seven years of the 70th week are then taken up as that time yet future of the great tribulation. The problems with this interpretation includes:

The use of the Diaspora calendar is again used and dates the decree a year later. The decree is correctly dated by the Exile or Babylonian calendars from a Nisan new year being April 13, 445 B.C.

Their dating of March 5th is to early for Nisan 1 to begin in 444 B.C. or any other year. Nisan 1 fell on April 3 in 444 B.C.

The "prophetic year" of 360 days is not supported in scripture. The use of such a calendar at the time of the flood is unwarranted. A 360 day year would cause a quick and rapid shift of the new year through the seasons to the same starting point about every 70 years. The required seasonal feasts of Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles would fall at the wrong time of year.

This interpretation, like the other, fails to provide a reason for the division of the first sixty nine weeks divided into seven and sixty two weeks.

All the interpretations of Gabriel's prophecy given to Daniel of the seventy sevens falls short of satisfying scripture and history.

In continuing, we read in Dan. 9-24, "Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city." The Hebrew word for "determine" in this verse is "chathak" which means "to cut," to "cut from" or "cut off." In the same way that the word "cut"-"cut off" (Hebrew "karath") is used of  "Christ being cut off " in Dan. 9-26. Now for one to deny the Hebrew word "chathak" meaning to "cut" in Dan. 9-24 as not applying to the units of the 70 sevens; would also mean it would not apply to Dan. 9-26 where the word "karath" is used of Christ being "cut off;" for the two words have the same meaning. One cannot accept the word meaning in one verse, Christ being cut off in verse 26, but reject the word meaning in verse 24! You either reject both verse texts or accept both verse texts, for the meaning of these two Hebrew words given are the same. The proper exegesis is used when one uses the word meaning in both verse texts, and in doing so he may find the proper meaning and understanding to the prophecy of Daniel's seventy sevens.

So this tells us that the time determined or cut will be completed after these peculiar 70 weeks of years have been fulfilled. We see that Daniel is informed that 490 years of time were to be divided on his people and city. This time is composed of 70 units of seven years totaling 490 years. But "within" these 490 years of 70 units are specific points of division or time that may occur regarding these events given in the text, as the text indicates. That is there may be a time or "gap of time between" the fulfillment of one or more of these "units of seven." Then continuing to the beginning and fulfillment of the next "unit or units of seven" given in the text. These events then would allow us to hopefully find and establish the times involved of the prophetic time given to their fulfillment. Another indication that these 70 units of time are indeed "cut up" and the reason why the Lord had Gabriel use that word is seen in the way the 70 weeks were given Daniel. This is seen in Dan. 9-25, "Know therefore and understand, (that) from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince (shall be) seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times."

Now if the 70 units of years given were "not to be cut", why then would there be a need for Gabriel to state it in the manner he did? He would have stated, if the units were to be continuous;--from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince there shall be "seventy weeks---," would he not? Also if they were to be continuous, it would "--finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in EVERLASTING righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy" (Dan. 9-24). These things stated here continue to this very day and are certainly not fulfilled, which indicates that the prophecy has yet to be fulfilled and it was to be fulfilled in the manner it was given by Gabriel to be cut up, what we may call "time gaps" between events.

Gabriel came in answer to Daniel's prayer concerning his "people and Jerusalem." He then informs Daniel when this period of time given would start. We read that it is "from the going forth of the command (word) to restore and build Jerusalem." Gabriel then gives more specifics about this command and restoring of the city and Jerusalem. "---the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times." Daniel received the vision of the 70 week unit in the 1st year of Darius, which was 538 B.C., and into the 68th year of the Babylonian captivity. The 70th year of Judah's captivity was drawing to a close. Jerusalem was in ruins and without walls and a temple. As we continue we shall see that the time of the 70 week units began with the 1st decree given by Cyrus in 538 B.C.

Before continuing, we need to establish which of the decrees given in scripture qualified to be the commandment to "restore and to build Jerusalem." Isaiah gives us prophetic proof as to whom would be the one whom the Lord would choose to bring the prophecy to fulfillment. We read in Isa. 44-28, "That saith of Cyrus, he is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure; even saying to Jerusalem, thou shall be built; and to the temple, thy foundation shall be laid."

Of all the decrees to "restore and build Jerusalem," only one carries the authority of the word of God, the decree of Cyrus. This commandment was witnessed by the two prophets Haggai and Zechariah (see Zech. 1-16; Haggai 1-8). We read in Ezra 5-2, "Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem, in the name of the God of Israel, even unto them. Then rose up Zarrubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and began to build the house of God which is at Jerusalem; and with them were the prophets of God helping them."

That very decree given by Cyrus in 538 B.C. which allowed the Jews to return and build the temple; the decree given by God through the prophets Haggai and Zechariah; and the decree by Darius in 520 B.C., confirming the original decree by Cyrus of Persia in 538 B.C. Here is where we have the time and decree mentioned in Dan. 9-25 that would begin the countdown and fulfillment of the 70 units of seven years.

In 538 B.C. Cyrus decreed the return of the Jews from their captivity and the rebuilding of the temple. By 537 B.C. A minority of Jews had returned and they began the building of the temple. It is in this year that the foundation of the temple was laid. But because of much hardship and persecution the temple was not completed until 515 B.C. (see Ezra chapter 6). By the end of this second year of the laying of the foundation, because of opposition, the work was forced to cease. So here we see that from the decree of Cyrus in 538 to 515 B.C. Nearly 23 years had gone by before the temple could be completed. Ezra chapters 5-6 tell us the details, that in the 6th year of Darius the temple was completed (March 12, 515 B.C.). Darius began his reign in 520 B.C., and the Jews had laid the foundation in the 2nd year of Cyrus' reign, which totals to 7 years in the temple's construction. Yet because of resistance it took nearly 23 years to fulfill the "1st seven" of these seventy units of sevens. The 2 years of this first "seven" would be from 538 to 536 B.C. The time of their return to the laying of the foundation. The remaining 5 years of this first "seven" was from 520 to 515 B.C., totaling 7 years or one seven, with 68 sevens remaining.

Here we have the beginning of the fulfillment of the seven sevens and sixty two sevens with this decree given by Cyrus and Darius from 538 to 515 B.C., with this unit of time fulfilling the "1st seven" of the 69 sevens; with 68 sevens remaining to be completed. The next decree scripture speaks of is seen in Ezra chapter 7, the decree from Artaxerxes given to Ezra in 458 B.C. (see Ezra 7-11-16).

This second decree of Artaxerxes was given in order that the temple be adorned and to have a civil and religious structure of laws to bring order to the community as a people and nation in order that they may grow and prosper. Artaxerxes' first decree was still in effect that prohibited the rebuilding of the city. But nevertheless this was an expansion of Artaxerxes' first decree and pertinent to the fulfillment of the units of sevens. For we must remember that the prophecy not only was for the building of the city but also for "your people" (Daniel's) and your holy city." Jerusalem could not be rebuilt without the proper establishment of the Jewish community as a people and nation. Ezra 7-9 tell us that he began his mission in the 1st day of the 1st month of 458 B.C. In the 7th year of the king's reign. He arrived in Jerusalem on the 1st day of the 5th month. Ezra 10-17 tell us that what he went to accomplish was completed by the first day of the first month of 457 B.C., a year later. This first year of the 2nd seven or remaining 476 years would be from the 1st month of 458 to the 1st month of 457 B.C.; leaving a remaining 475 years of the 69 sevens.

After Ezra's mission, he again returned to Jerusalem 14 years later in 444 B.C. (see Nehemiah chapter 8). The countdown of the remaining units of sevens (475 years) begin with the decree by Artaxerxes in 445 B.C. (see Nehemiah 2-1-8). Where a short time later in 444 B.C. Nehemiah went to Jerusalem to begin rebuilding the city walls, which he completed a short while later. He then later returned in Artaxerxes 32nd year (see Nehemiah 13-6), making this about 432 B.C. And stayed until he corrected all the problems spoken of in the chapter.

As noted, the "1st seven" of the 69 units of sevens was fulfilled beginning with the decree of Cyrus in 538 B.C., being the time of the beginning restoration of the building of Jerusalem; at that time being the building of the temple. The 69 sevens amount to 483 years, minus one seven equals to 476 years or 68 sevens remaining of the 69 sevens to be fulfilled, where it is prophesied that after that time "Messiah will be cut off, but not for himself" (crucified). Now with this 1st decree by Artaxerxes in 458 B.C. it would begin to fulfill the following units of the 68 sevens, minus the 1 year of 458 B.C., leaving a remainder of 475 years. Now beginning this countdown of the remaining 68 sevens or 475 years, it will be seen that it would continue with no interruptions or gaps of time as occurred in and with the first two units of these sevens. Then it may be seen that we have found the answer to the understanding of this highly debated and problematic prophecy of Daniel's seventy sevens.

Now beginning with the decree of Artaxerxes in the 20th year of his reign, in 445 B.C. when he allowed Nehemiah to return to Jerusalem and confirm that he was sent by the king and during the time of Ezra's return and the completion of the wall is where the time of these remaining sevens begin. The wall was completed as we are told in Nehemiah 6-15 "--in the twenty and fifth day of (the month) Elul, in fifty two days." This would be Aug.-Sept. of 444 B.C. So from April 13, 445 B.C., the time of the decree, we would begin to count the remaining time of these 475 years to the point where "Messiah would be cut off," or crucified; bringing us to the end of the 69 sevens, with only the final seven to be fulfilled. In adding these 475 years to April 13, 445 B.C. We would come to April 13, 30 A.D. (0 B.C. would become A.D. 1, for there is no 0 B.C.). This time then would be seen as being the time that Jesus was crucified or "cut off." Chapter 17 gives the full details of Christ's birth ministry and crucifixion. The time of his crucifixion is given there as being Thursday, April 6, 30 A.D. Since we see a 7 day discrepancy given here between April 6, 30 A.D., Jesus' crucifixion to April 13, 30 A.D., noted as being the fulfillment time of the 69 sevens; this must be discussed in order to confirm the accuracy or inaccuracy of the fulfillment of these times.

For this confirmation we need to look into the dating system used of the beginning of their new year Nisan 1. The months began in the evening following "the first observation of the new crescent moon." The Pharisees would declare the month as the beginning of the new year once the new moon was observed at sunset. This was not the actual new moon, for it is invisible, but rather the first evidence of the disc that occurs about 18 hours later. Thus, the new year would not be declared until a day or two after the actual time of the new moon. That is there might be a one day delay if the weather obscured the skies for any length of time. In this system the new year and every month was declared by "observation" and not "calculation." So we see a delay of up to 72 hours in the declaration in the starting of their month and new year. But we when discussing a date that gives Nisan 1 as being the date of that time, it is an astronomically calculated date being given, while the actual observation of the first crescent of the new moon at that time was different; it was done observably rather than calculated where the "day date" would differ from the calculated date.

So we see there is at least up to a 3 day margin of error to be considered for any given year. Now in considering that 475 years of calculation have to be taken into account under the "observable system used" as opposed to calculated dates we use today, it is certainly not unreasonable to take this 7 day difference as being a margin of human error due to the observable dating calendar system that was used through those years. Nevertheless, it can be seen here how remarkably precise they were in the system they used when compared to what we have at our disposal today; only erred by a very small margin of time in those hundreds of years. Here I leave with the words of the Lord given in Isa. 1-18, "Come now let us come together and reason----."

Note how this fulfills the prophecy of the sixty nine sevens given Daniel to the time that Christ would be cut off or crucified. As prophesied we see from the 1st decree (commandment) by Cyrus, where in its fulfillment opposition occurred, ceasing that fulfillment; it would again require a decree (commandment) to "continue," or start the time fulfillment of the prophecy. This is seen each time the decree (commandment) or word is given in this prophecy. Exactly how the Lord gave it to Gabriel to give to Daniel: "Seventy sevens are determined (cut) upon "thy people and upon thy holy city,"---. Know therefore and understand from the going forth of the commandment ( the decree of Cyrus', and/or other decrees relating to it) to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself;--." (Dan. 7-24-26a).


The Evidence putting Daniel and related Prophetic Texts in their proper Exegesis.

"Seventy weeks (seventy sevens of years) are determined (cut) upon thy people (Daniel's people, Israel) and upon thy holy city (Jerusalem), to close the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make expiation for iniquity, and to bring in the righteousness of the ages, and to seal vision and prophecy, and to anoint the holy of holies. Know therefore and understand: From the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah, the Prince, are seven weeks, and sixty two weeks (69 weeks of years). The street and the moat shall be built again, even in troubling times. And after the sixty two weeks (the 7 weeks and 62 weeks of years, and not after 69 and a half weeks, and into the 70th week.) shall Messiah be cut off (Jesus' death at the cross), and shall have nothing(his earthly kingdom glory, Rev. 21-22); and (sometime "after" the 69 weeks of years) the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary."

Not the mysterious coming prince himself, but the "people" of this prince that shall come; and not the people of the Messiah/Prince who was cut off, but the people of this mysterious prince that is yet to come here. The prophetic figure spoken of earlier in Dan. 7-7-8,20-21,24-26, who is seen in verse 27, the next verse.

It is this "people" that shall destroy the city and the sanctuary, which was fulfilled in the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Roman "people," the Roman Empire. This after an almost 40 year gap from the expiration of the 69 weeks of years and the "cutting off" of the Messiah. Then we read,"And the end thereof shall be with an overflow, and unto the end, war the desolations determined. And he (the prince that shall come spoken of in the preceding verse) shall confirm a covenant with many for one week---," The final seven of the 70th week of years, at an unrevealed time in history "after" the 70 A.D. destruction of the city and sanctuary. And certainly Christ, the Messiah/Prince never confirmed any covenant with anyone for a specific "seven year period" after 70 A.D., or at any other time; nor did Titus Vespasian. "--- and in the midst of the week (the midpoint of the 70th week) he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease and because of the overspreading of abominations he shall make desolate even until the consummation and what is determined shall be poured out upon the desolate" (Dan. 9-24-27).

We see, according to Daniel, the destruction of Jerusalem takes place nearly 40 years "after" the end of the 69 weeks, and after the Messiah/Christ is cut off by death on the cross, and that "before" the start of the 70th week, not "during" the 70th week. Therefore the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. could not have been the fulfillment of Daniel's 70th week. The 70th week would have to be fulfilled sometime after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.


Further Evidence of the Seventy Sevens "Determined/Cut" given in Daniel.


The preterists and others who reject a "time gap" between the end of the 69th week and beginning of the 70th week when it would come to fulfillment can be seen when we apply this passage of Daniel with Luke 21-20,22 and 24. We read in Dan. 9-26, "And the people (Rome and its armies) of the prince* that shall come* shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (the temple and Jerusalem in 70 A.D.) and the end thereof (of the temple and Jerusalem shall be) with a flood, and unto the END OF THE WAR (the) desolations (that) are determined." Now what is meant, AFTER JERUSALEM'S FALL of "until the end of the war and desolations that are determined to occur AFTER that period and length of that time?" Our answers to that are seen in the passages of Luke chapter 21. There we read:

(V.20), "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies (by Rome in 67A.D.), then know that the desolation thereof (the trampling of Jerusalem) is nigh."

(V.22), "For these be the days(times) of vengeance, that all things which are written (all prophetic scripture to be written) may be fulfilled."* Now its very important to note here that at the time Jesus prophesied this (in 30A.D.), "all prophetic scripture" (the New Testament), had not as yet been written.*

(V.24), "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations; and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." This passage in Luke 21-24 answers the prophetic passage given us in Dan. 9-26. "--unto the end of the war (the fall of Jerusalem and temple in 70A.D.) AND (also the) desolations (that) are determined." That time (time gap*) being between the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and fulfillment of the end of the "desolations" or trodding down of Jerusalem." Where as noted, history shows us the truth of this prophecy's fulfillment. Since the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., the Jews were persecuted and scattered worldwide and the desolations continued until they became a nation again in 1948, thus fulfilling that part of the prophecy. And Jerusalem was trodden down by the Gentiles until 1967, where then Israel recaptured the city in the 1967 Eight Day War; ending the time of the trampling down on Jerusalem by the Gentiles. This passage of Dan. 9-26, and Luke 21-20-22-24 involve two events, the world wide persecution of the Jews and the desolation and trampling of Jerusalem by the Gentiles until its fulfillment, and separated by a span of time. That span of time, or "time gap," being fulfilled when "the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."

This is why the disciples expanded their question to Jesus while on the Mt. Of Olives later in the evening after he had given the discourse given to his public earlier in the temple grounds given us in Luke chapter 21. Of the Jews persecution, the fall of Jerusalem, and trampling of Jerusalem "until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled," (Luke 21-20-24); and time of his coming. ( Luke 21-27-28). The first part of the question "When shall these things be?" relates to what was asked earlier in the temple grounds by the disciples as is seen in Luke 21. But here in Matthew, later on the Mount, they ask, "When shall these things be? AND what shall be the sign of thy coming, AND of the end of the age?" Then Jesus goes on and gives his discourse of all the events that would need to occur to their fulfillment, prior to his second coming. "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh" (Luke 21-28).

Matthew 24-29-31 speaks of the fulfillment of those times spoken of in Luke chapter 21: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."---"Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION (living then) SHALL NOT PASS, till all these things be fulfilled. Heaven and earth SHALL pass away (Rev. 21-1), but my words shall not pass away" (Matt. 24-34-35).

For the Jews of Jesus' day, the coming of the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God meant "to the Jews" that the Messiah would rule from David's throne in Jerusalem bringing with it restoration, comfort and peace to the nation of Israel, and judgment to her enemies. Jesus' definition of the kingdom of God caught the Jews off guard. Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, Here it is, or there it is, because the kingdom of God is within (among) you" (Luke 17-20). They expected a literal fulfillment to the covenant promise God made with David and missed the point that what God had promised to David would find its complete fulfillment beginning in a "spiritual nation" under the New Covenant, the church (1 Peter 2-9-10). Ending in its complete fulfillment with the New Heavens and New Earth when God's judgment over all enemies is complete. (Revelation chapters 21-22).

The Davidic Covenant can also be seen in Jeremiah 31-31-40. We read in verse 31, "Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah;---." In verse 35 he promises that if the sun, moon, and stars cease to shine, only then will "the seed of Israel also cease from being A NATION before me forever." This is clearly to mean a "literal earthly nation of Israel." we read the fulfillment of this promise in verses 38-40: "Behold the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord---." Like we read in Jeremiah, the Davidic covenant has these same promises in this New Covenant. The promise that Israel would never cease to be a nation while the earth continues, is indicated by the disciple's question, which they scripturally understood, that we read in Acts 1-6; "---Lord are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?" Which is also the reason why Jesus answered their question in the way he did: "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons (literal earthly times and seasons), which the Father hath put in his own power. But (meantime) ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you (then you shall understand); and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Note here, that Jesus did not give the disciples a direct answer to their question concerning the kingdom being restored to Israel. That the literal kingdom of Israel would not, nor would ever be restored to Israel, rather it would be a different kingdom. If that were to be he would have told them that then and there, but since they would "in time" become a literal nation again is why Jesus responded in the way he did. That "the time" of "when it was to be restored literally" was "in his Father's power only"; is the answer he gave the disciples. But meantime they would receive the power of the Holy Spirit to spread the gospel throughout the world, in what we call the church age. God in his time would keep his promise of restoring them as a literal nation again, and we have seen that fulfillment in our time. As history shows, they became a nation again in 1948. The time of this restoration would be fulfilled during the course of the church age and after the events of Luke 21-20-24 are fulfilled. "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh" (v.20). We then read in verse 24, "And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations; and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, UNTIL THE TIME OF THE GENTILES BE FULFILLED."

At the time of the ascension of Christ, the disciples were not clear "how this promise of Christ's kingdom would be fulfilled." Thus their question was not whether Christ would bring in or restore the kingdom, but rather "when" he would "restore" the kingdom (a nation kingdom) to Israel. He told them that it was not for them to know the times (of this prophecy) set by the Father. In effect, Christ confirmed that the prophesied restoration of the kingdom of Israel would in time occur. The question asked Christ here is important to understand concerning "what" was to be "restored?" They were not asking for a "spiritual restoration," but rather the prophesied restoration of "Israel's return to their land as a kingdom again, predicted in the Old Testament." The disciples obviously had difficulty in understanding that prior to the restoration of Israel, the present age would need to be fulfilled to a point, in which Gentiles would be brought in; this being the church age. This question came up in the Council of Jerusalem as recorded in Acts 15. In solving the problem, James quoted the prophecy of Amos 9-11-12. James concluded that scriptural prophecy indicated that there would be a time of Gentile blessing before the restoration of Israel as a kingdom could be brought in. This of course, is exactly what has occurred to this present age.


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Who is Mystery, Babylon the Great?


The book of Daniel, more than any other book in the Old Testament revealed very specific prophecies concerning the future. The book of Daniel is not only important as a key to understanding the past in God's supreme control of both Gentile and Jewish history, but also gives insight concerning the future, and helps to understand the symbolisms in the book of Revelation. Daniel gives the most comprehensive and detailed picture concerning the time of the Gentiles of any book of the Bible as well as the future history of Israel from Daniel's time to, if I may use the words, the second coming of Christ.

Beginning in Dan. 2-36-45, Daniel explains to the king the meaning of the dream concerning the statue. He tells Nebuchadnezzar that he was a great king and that God had given him a great dominion (verses 37-38). He declared to the king "You are that head of gold" (v.38). Daniel explains that the upper part of the body represented another kingdom but inferior to the kingdom of Babylon (v. 39), and that it would be followed by "a third kingdom", one of bronze, who will rule over the whole earth" (v.39). We see later in Daniel that these kingdoms are named Med o-Persia and Greece (Dan. 8-20-21). Daniel then gave the meaning of the fourth kingdom in verse 40. Here he declares "Finally there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron-for iron breaks and smashes everything-and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others" ( Dan. 2-40). Then in verses 41 to 43, Daniel gives a separate explanation of the feet and toes of partly iron and clay, which Daniel explained as being "the divided kingdom" (v. 41).Why a separate explanation of the feet and ten toes on this statue? The logical answer when following the text is because it is to be a fifth kingdom. There are not four kingdoms but five kingdoms that make up this statue. Daniel speaks of a fourth kingdom "strong as iron" so it will crush all the others. This fourth kingdom is Rome, the legs of iron of the statue. The feet, the divided kingdom, being the fifth kingdom, would have the strength of iron, i.e. Rome in it, but the weakness of clay (v.42). Daniel explains this mixture of people "mingling themselves with the seed of men," thus they represent a "divided kingdom" (v. 43); but a kingdom nonetheless. Daniel then explains the vision of the rock that destroyed the image and then grew to be a mountain. "In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands-a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and gold to pieces ( verses 44-45). The kingdom represented by the rock is the kingdom of Christ that God "set up in the time of those kings," at Christ's first coming. The "kingdom that will endure forever" represented here as the rock is what Christ will bring in at his, second coming when he destroys all kingdoms.

Nebuchadnezzar died in 562 B.C., but the beginning of Belshazzar's service as co-regent with Nabonidus in 553 B.C. became important because it was in that year that Daniel had the first of his four visions in Daniel chapter 7. Actually Daniel chapters 7 and 8 both occur in the time period between Daniel chapter 4 and chapter 5, and are out of chronological order for whatever reasons Daniel had for doing so. The fact is that Daniel had received the revelation of chapters 7 and 8 before he came to Belshazzar's feast, where at that time Babylon fell ( see chapter 5). Beginning in chapter 7, Daniel is shown visions of future world history. In Dan.7-1-7, the vision of this chapter occurred, as told to us by Daniel. "In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon" (v.1), probably the year 553 B.C. or 14 years before the Med es and the Persians conquered Jerusalem. As was noted, this vision already was past when Belshazzar held his feast in chapter 5. In seeing this vision Daniel records he saw "the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea" (Dan.7-2). The four beasts described later that came up out of this sea (verses 2-3).

The first beast was compared to a lion having the wings of an eagle (v.4). As Daniel watched the wings were torn off and the eagle was lifted off the ground, and "the heart of a man was given to it" (v.4). Daniel describes the second beast as "like a bear." Raised up on one of its sides, and it had three ribs in its mouth, and it was told, "Get up and eat your fill of flesh" (v.5). The third beast resembled a leopard with four wings such as a bird would have and four heads. This beast also "was given authority to rule" (v.6). The fourth beast, Daniel sees as the most frightening. "It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the other beasts, and it had ten horns."

In Dan. 7-8-10, Daniel continues recording the vision. He saw a small horn coming out from the 10 horns on this fourth beast; "a little one," which came up among them, where in which three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth that spoke boastfully" (v.8). It is at this time in the vision, when the little horn comes forth from the ten horns, that we see the vision changes to a scene in heaven. Daniel sees one as "the ancient of days" (v.9). A countless number stood before him and worshiped him. "The court was seated, and the books were opened." This scene is parallel to what is seen in chapters 5 and 6 of Revelation, of Christ approaching God and opening the seals, which represent God's judgment. This is the time of God's judgment and coming wrath on the beast, i.e., the "little horn." Rev. 6-17, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Dan. 7-11-14 continues recording the vision, where there he sees that "the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire" (v.11).

This verse shows that those of the preterist camp who see the beast in chapter 13 of Revelation as being Rome in the first century, concerning the fulfillment of the prophecy are in error. For this verse which agrees with the texts in Revelation tell us that the beast, Rome, was slain and its body, representing its kingdom, was destroyed at that time; yet history records, contrary to the preterist view, Rome continued into the late fourth century! So this beast that was slain seen here in Daniel could not be Rome. At this point of the beast's destruction, we are told : "As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away; yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time" (v.12). It is here we see that the beast to come was destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. This is seen in Rev. 19-20, "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him,---these both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." Again, this certainly did not happen to Rome, nor the false prophet, whomever it is claimed he be. Then Daniel saw "One like a Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed" (verses 13-14). This is the time of the fulfillment of God's kingdom bringing in the eternal state. Note in the passage the words worshiped him, this is past tense, and goes far beyond the time of 70 A.D. It is the time for Christ's coming and fulfillment of all prophecy.

Like the image in chapter 2, these four beasts represent four kingdoms. The first which was like a lion and an eagle represented Babylon. The second kingdom represented the Med o-Persian Empire which conquered Babylon in 539 B.C. ( Dan. chap. 5). Like a bear it had great power, but not like Babylon. The third kingdom represented Greece (Dan. 8-21), the rapid conquests of Alexander the Great who conquered all of western Asia was the fulfillment of the Leopard. The Leopard is a beast capable of great speed like Alexander's conquests. When Alexander died in Babylon in 323 B.C., the Empire was divided among his four generals, represented by the four heads and four wings. They were Lysimachus who was given Thrace and Bithynia; Cassander who was given Macedonia and Greece; Seleucus who was given Syria, Babylonia, and land to the east; and Ptolemy who was given Egypt, Palestine and Arabia Petrea.

The fourth kingdom, the legs of iron was not named, but most scholars see it was historically fulfilled by the Roman Empire. The ten horns we can symbolically represent here as being past empires including Rome, and a future empire, i.e., the little horn, the 10 toes of iron and clay, the feet of the statue, which would appear in the end time. The little horn represents the kingdom and its ruler who would come up in this final kingdom. As noted, scripture only speaks specifically of "kingdoms and their kings" that in one way or another concerned Israel. And here in Daniel it begins with the kingdom of Babylon and its king. It is important at this time, for a better understanding, to bring the kings i.e. kingdoms mentioned in scripture forward here. 1. Egypt-king Pharaoh, 2. Assyria-king Shalmaneser V, 3. Babylon-king Nebuchadnezzar, 4. Medo-Persia-king Darius, 5. Greece-king Alexander the Great. The divided Greek kingdom, 6. Thrace and Bithynia-king Lysimachus, 7. Macedonia and Greece-king Cassander, 8. Syria and Babylon-king Seleucus, 9. Egypt, Palestine, Arabia Petrea-king Ptolemy, 10. The Roman Empire-king Julius Caesar. So we have here including the Roman Empire, 10 horns. With each horn representing not only a king but a kingdom also, as the texts in Daniel show us, seen in Dan. 7-7,8,11,17,20,21. Not only here but throughout Daniel chapter 8. Dan. 8-3,5,8,20,21, and 22. And these Kingdoms and kings are used interchangeably in Daniel, with the exception of Dan. 7-24. There it speaks of ten horns representing kings coming out from that one kingdom. This is why Daniel saw the fourth beast having ten horns on its body in Dan. 7-7; this fourth beast many see as being Rome. To that time the ten horns represented ten kingdoms, including Rome, for this "fourth beast" represented a kingdom as well. So also would the "little horn" be seen and represent a king and kingdom. So we see here in the book of Daniel that the horns are to represent kingdoms and their kings as well. Then we read in verse 8: "I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn,---." This horn, we now can see as being the fifth kingdom, i.e. The ten toes of iron and clay of the statue in Daniel chapter 2, the future and final prophetic kingdom to come. This kingdom is seen in Rev. 13-1.

In Dan. 7-15-22, he did not understand the image, and he asked one who was standing by the meaning of the vision (verses 15-16). Daniel was told "The four great beasts are four kingdoms that will rise from the earth. But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever, yes, forever and ever" (verses 17-18). Daniel then declares, "Then I wanted to know the true meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and most terrifying, with its iron teeth and bronze claws--the beast that crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three of them fell; the horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and a mouth that spoke boastfully" (verses 19-20). He continues, "As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them (Rev. 13-7), until the Ancient of days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints and the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom" (verses 21-22). Dan. 7-23-28, here Daniel is given this explanation; "The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on the earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time" (verses 23-25).

Daniel is told that this final kingdom described as the fourth beast will "devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it." Note that the angel tells Daniel that the fourth beast is not The Fourth Kingdom,Rome, chronologically speaking, but A fourth kingdom that would appear on earth. The fourth kingdom Daniel saw in his vision and inquired about. Unlike the other texts where the horns represented kingdoms as well as kings, here the text speaks differently. In this context we are told that the ten horns represent ten kings coming out of this final kingdom. This is seen in Rev. 13-1, 17-12,16 and 17. We see in verse 12 they are kings who have not received a kingdom, but (rather) receive power/authority as kings one hour along with the beast. So this indicates that the kingdom they received was the beast/kingdom, as kings but only for one hour. The title kings indicates a person having and ruling a kingdom. And these ten would receive a kingdom,i.e., the beast/kingdom, but for one hour. Verse 17 goes on to explain the meaning of this passage. "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree (be of one mind) and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled." So we see these ten kings as having no kingdom of their own, for they have given their power, authority and allegiance to the beast kingdom.

The image in Daniel chapter 2 is clearly marked as consisting of five parts: gold, silver, brass, iron, and iron and clay. This is clear enough, only we have been so accustomed to hear the fifth spoken of as part of the fourth, or the fourth revived, that we read the scripture in the light of our tradition. To say that Daniel chapter 2 mentions only four Gentile kingdoms is not any answer, nor the answer. Daniel 2 says nothing of the kind. It mentions the fourth, that is not four. The original Hebrew word is not "arbag"--four; but it is "rebegahe"--fourth. It nowhere says there were only four. The five are not only mentioned separately, as to their material, but diversely as to their order; so as to distinguish the clay as being one of five, and not as part of the iron, the fourth kingdom, as is usually done.

Most agree that the first three kingdoms have come and gone in history, they being Babylon, Med o-Persia and Greece. The fourth Empire, when viewing the beasts in succession, though not named here, is seen by most scholars as being the Roman Empire. But the fifth kingdom seen in chapter 2 of Daniel as being the feet and toes of the image, called "the divided kingdom", was never fulfilled. Nothing in history shows that fulfillment, neither by Rome or other kingdoms. Dan. 7-26-27, tells us the conclusion of these events after their fulfillment. "But the court will sit, and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him." We see that this interpretation runs parallel to chapter 2 where the prophecy of the destruction of the feet of the image and the whole image itself is destroyed, bringing in God's Kingdom forever. If it were not future prophecy, but prophecy fulfilled in history, then also would Dan. 7-26-27 here, be past fulfillment. It is clear from scripture that it was future prophecy to be fulfilled in the end time.

This ruler is described by Daniel in Dan. 11-36-45, "The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard of things against the God of gods" (v.36). Some interpretors have attempted to relate this king to Antiochus, however, the evidence of history is that Antiochus died shortly after fulfilling the preceding verses in the year 164 B.C. He did not fulfill any of the events described in this last part of the chapter, beginning in verse 36. Daniel goes on, "He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place" (Dan. 11-36). This is seen in Dan. 7-27-28 and the destruction of this final ruler/ kingdom is seen in Rev. 19-20. He fulfills the prophecy of speaking "against the God of gods" (v.36) and Rev. 13-5-7. This ruler is described in an unusual way, "He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all." ( Dan. 11-37). Daniel goes on to describe him, "Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses, a god unknown to his fathers he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts" (v. 38). He will place material things above all else, which will enable him to increase his power militarily and politically. "He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price" (v.39). He will be successful as is seen in Rev. 13-8, "All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world." The final verses of Daniel chapter 11, beginning with verse 40, describes the final war or battle which occurs in the period just before Christ's second coming.

The Middle East, Israel and Jerusalem will be the catalyst that brings about this final war and battle prophesied for the end time. The battle called Harmageddon i.e. the Day of the Lord. Daniel describes this, "At the time of the end the king of the south will engage him in battle, and the king of the north will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships" (v.40). "He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood." Daniel goes on, "He will also invade the Beautiful Land" Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians in submission. But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him" (Dan. 11-41-45). Daniel is given further information in chapter 12 concerning this vision of events given him of this final battle to come in the end time. He records that "at that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the Book--will be delivered" (v.1). This brings us to Rev. 7-1-8 where we see 12,000 Jews from each of the 12 tribes would be sealed (protected) in this tribulation, because their names were found written in the book "of deliverance." Dan. 12-2 clearly speaks of a resurrection, not only of Jews but Gentiles as well. "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth (worldwide) will awake; some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." This prophecy clearly gives the fact of a great resurrection at the prophecy's fulfillment. This passage confirms the fact that those who believe that Antiochus Epiphanes IV completed the prophecy seen in verses 11-36-45 are in error. The scripture here is given to us clearly and is not in any way to be speaking figuratively. It concerns the end time as is seen and told to us in Dan. 12-4. "But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end."

Most agree that the iron legs of the statue represented Rome as being the fourth Empire. But there is a difference of opinion concerning the identification of the feet and toes of the statue. The key to understanding the passage rests on the interpretation of the rock that fills the earth. This rock that symbolizes the Kingdom of God and is declared in Dan. 2-44-45. So it follows that if the dominion described in verse 44 refers to Christ's second coming, then the last part of the statue, the feet of ten toes made up of iron and clay, must represent an earthly empire existing prior to Christ's return. In this case, it could not be ancient Rome. It must also be noted, that since Rome is part of western Europe, when the empire of Rome dominated and the activities of the empire was centered there, it is reasonable to assume the prophecy's fulfillment to be stating that this area of the world would play an important role in this future kingdom to come. That kingdom being the feet and the ten toes that would come and extend from the kingdom of ancient Rome who dominated from western Europe, just as Christianity did.

When the birth of Christianity came through our Lord Jesus Christ, Christianity spread quickly throughout the Roman Empire in spite of persecution. In the first several centuries it had spread as far as Spain in western Europe. For Christianity a major turning point came when the Roman Emperor Constantine, in A.D. 312, granted the Christians the freedom to worship. By 392 A.D., he had Christianity become the state religion of the entire Roman Empire, from England to Asia. All other religions were either banned or suppressed, and Christianity became an organized church with a hierarchy closely identified with the Roman Empire. The organized church gained great power in governmental and civil matters. From the 11th century on, there was a single church for the whole of Christendom ruled from Rome, later extending over the entire continent. From Iceland to Italy and from Sweden to Spain. By the time of the 17th century, most rulers were convinced that the key to stable government was the sovereign's exclusive control of both religion and politics. By this time much of western Europe had become monarchies. From the early days of the Reformation (the 1550's) monarchs found that extending their authority over the church greatly enhanced their power over the state. But this only caused chaos and wars throughout Europe. By the 18th century, it became the age of absolute monarchy in Europe. That time brought about the "Age of Revolutions" (1776-1848). The age of Revolution that brought about the birth of the United States.

The four beasts given in Daniel represent kingdoms and kings who would be ruling when these prophecies would come to fulfillment. Though certainly many kings can come in an on-going kingdom. The 1st kingdom which was like a lion and an eagle represented Babylon, its king at that time being Nebuchadnezzar. The 2nd kingdom represented the Medo-Persian Empire seen in Dan. 8-20; its ruler, king Darius (Dan. 5-31) which conquered Babylon in 539 B.C. (Daniel chapter 5). The 3rd kingdom represented Greece, its king Alexander (Dan. 8-21). When Alexander died in 323 B.C. the Empire was divided up among his 4 generals, represented by the "4 heads and 4 wings" seen on the beast leopard. Its kings and kingdoms divided into smaller kingdoms was; Lysimachus given Thrace and Bithynia. Cassander its king, was given Macedonia and Greece. Seleucus its king, was given Syria, Babylon and land to the east. And Ptolemy its king, was given Egypt, Palestine and Arabia Petrea. The 4th beast kingdom seen in Daniel's vision was not named, but most scholars and many today see it as being the Roman Empire. Officially its first sole ruler/king at the time was Julius Caesar, 100-44 B.C.

As noted, scripture only speaks specifically of "kingdoms and their kings" that in one way or another concerned Israel. And here in Daniel it begins with the kingdom of Babylon and its king. Now taking the others not mentioned in Daniel into account, these would be: 1. Egypt, in the time of their captivity and Exodus. Since the king ruling at the time is unsure, he will be called "king Pharaoh" of the kingdom of Egypt. 2. The kingdom of Assyria, with its king at the time being king Shalmaneser V. And as noted, thus far in Daniel as the vision of the beasts and horns are mentioned, we see that the "horns" not only represent "kings" but also "kingdoms" when these prophecies would come to fulfillment. Therefore, the term "horns" spoken of in Daniel represent not only "kings" but "kingdoms," unless the texts speak otherwise.

This is why Daniel when given the vision of the fourth beast, its body consisted of having on it 10 horns. Not only representing ten kings but also representing all the past kingdoms and their kings, including Rome and its king when it would come into existence. And why Daniel was given the vision in Dan. 7-8 of another little horn coming from out of the ten horns representing kingdoms. For this horn, besides Rome, would also be a future kingdom to come that would come in contact with Israel, as the others did in the past, but in a different manner. "And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise; and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings" (Dan. 7-24). We see in this final kingdom, which Revelation chapter 13 and 17-16-17 confirms, is there are to be ten kings, not kingdoms, to come out of this final kingdom to fulfill the prophecy.

When we speak of Babylon the Great, what is the intended meaning of the words great city used of mystery Babylon in Rev. 17-18? "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city which reigneth over the kings of the earth." Is the "great city" here literally intended to mean a city, or is it intended to mean a great nation? In scripture the word great, Greek "megas," can be used to describe those of superior rank. An example of this is Christ being described as a "great priest" in Hebrews 10-21. The plural "great ones" signify those who hold positions of authority in Gentile nations; as seen in Matt. 20-25 and Mark 10-42.

The Greek word for city is "polis" and means "a town enclosed with a wall." Originally to the Greeks, polis meant a fortified settlement. But in time, with political development, "polis" began to signify a state or ruling center and the area ruled by it. In essence, polis is a protectively fortified dwelling place. This word is not limited in meaning to our contemporary concept of a city.

In scripture the words country and city are used interchangeably depending on the context. For example when reading Hebrews 11-10-16, both city polis and country patris, one's own native land, are used to describe the heavenly Jerusalem. Rev. 17-15 describes the whore, the woman or great city, as being composed of a global collective body of inhabitants. "And he saith unto me, the waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." Rev. 17-18 also speaks of this woman or great city "which reigneth over the kings of the earth." In summary, based upon the contextual analysis of the text, Rev. 17-18, there is no reason to limit the meaning of the word city to the modern sense of the word for the following reasons: Historically, its been countries, not cities that have been the wealthy, militarily strong ruling centers of the world. Its nations and not cities that have kings.

A question arises in determining who Babylon the Great is concerns the timing of John's vision. Was the angel showing John a vision of the great Roman Empire that ruled over the world at the time of the vision? Or was the angel showing John a vision of a future great city or superpower? John is told in Rev. 17-12-17 that the ten horns, i.e. kings "have received no kingdom as yet,---." If the woman or great city was Rome of John's day, the 10 kings would have been described as having already received kingdom authority. Instead, they are described as 10 kings which have received no kingdom as yet---.

There are preterists and others that believe that the book of Revelation was written prior to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. That Revelation was written about 66-69 A.D., and hold that the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. was the fulfillment of Revelation and other prophecies of scripture. Some, if not most also hold that the woman i.e. the city was Jerusalem which was destroyed by Rome in 70 A.D., as just noted. But Jerusalem could not be the woman or city seen in chapter 17 because the text says that the woman, that great city, reigneth over the kings of the earth. The Jews and its city Jerusalem were certainly not reigning over the kings of the earth at that time, nor did they have a Jewish king reigning over them. Rome and its kings of the earth were not subject to the Jews nor the city of Jerusalem. Rather quite the contrary, the Jews and the city Jerusalem was subject to Rome and its Emperor kings of the earth.

Rev. 17-18, "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth." The verb is used is "estin" the present tense, from the root verbeimi meaning "to be," or in other words is reigning. It could be accurately paraphrased; "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which is reigning over the kings of the earth." The whole vision is in the context of the future. Verse 18 is part of that future vision. You have to violate grammatical rules and remove verse 18 from its future context in order to say that the verse is speaking about first century Rome at the present time of the vision.

The preterists who hold to these views refer to Rev. 11-2 as further confirmation that the temple was still standing when Revelation was written; and that the city mentioned in this text is Jerusalem. The Greek word temple used here is naos, and is the same word used by Paul in 2 Thess. 2-4;1 Cor. 3-16;2 Cor. 6-16; and Ephe. 2-21-22. So here we read, "Rise and measure the temple of God," the holy place and the alter. But not its outer courts or precincts, for they are to be trampled on. First we see by the word "naos" given that it is indicating this temple is not a literal building. Also, in the Old Testament scriptures, Jerusalem is called the holy city. But since they rejected Christ, the New Testament teaches us that Jerusalem is no longer the holy city, it has been left desolate since the time Christ spoke those words in 30 A.D., (Matt. 23-38; Luke 13-35;19-41-44;21-24) unto the end. In God's eyes, it was no longer seen as the holy city, because of their rejection of Christ as their Messiah. "Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come" (Heb. 13-13-14; see also Ezek. 48-35; Rev. chap. 21). We read in 1 Peter 2-9, "But ye (are) a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,---." Here in 1 Peter 2-9, the saints of Christ now represent what the Old Covenant nation of Israel and the holy city Jerusalem was before they rejected Christ, seen in 1 Peter 2-7-8. Now the New Covenant holy nation is considered to be the house and holy city of the God of Israel, where he would dwell. Those who hold the teaching that Rev. 11-1-2 refers to a literal temple in Jerusalem are incorrect. Rev. 11-2 only states that where this temple sanctuary resides in, is considered as being a holy city, for the Lord's sanctuary is in its midst. It does not state that this sanctuary would be in the holy city of Jerusalem. For Jerusalem is no longer considered the holy city of God. What is given us here in Rev. 11-1-2 is what is given us and parallels with Ezekiel chapters 40-48.

Preterists also refer to Rev. 11-8 as confirmation that the city in the text is Jerusalem. "And their dead body in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified." All the critical texts of scripture show in verse 8 the word "body" in the"singular" as is the word "corpse" in the first part of verse 9, they shall look upon "their corpse",--and do not suffer "their corpses to be---." Here, this city is called a great city, not a holy city as is seen in Rev. 11-2. This great city is "spiritually" called Sodom and Egypt, to indicate the great bondage, idolatry and fornication in it (Rev. 14-8; 17-1-7, 18; 18-2). We note that the G.L.T.Tr. A. WH, and RV read the Greek word "auton" to mean their, instead of "hemon' to mean our. The translators changed the word "their" to the word "our," in that passage. The critical texts give us the word auton, "--where also their Lord was crucified." This is important to note, for it was the apostle John under inspiration that wrote this book. And the apostle John witnessed the Lord's crucifixion outside the gates of Jerusalem himself. It was written to indicate that these witnesses were not in Jerusalem where the Lord was literally crucified, but rather in a "great city" spiritually called Sodom and Egypt where "their" (the witnesses) Lord was crucified spiritually.

This can be seen in Heb. 6-6 and 10-29: "If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh (again), and put him to an open shame" (disgrace). (Rev. 11-8).

"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who had trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done (insulted) despite unto the Spirit of grace?" (Rev. 11-2). It is they in this "great city"that crucified the Lord again, and put him to open disgrace, and not in the city of Jerusalem.

We read in Rev. 17-9, "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth." Can Rome be considered the woman or great city because Rev. 17-3 and 9 tell us that the seven heads of the beast are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth, and Rome is known as the city on seven hills? The word mountain, Greek "oros" is used here for the Hebrew word "Har" for mountain. The Greeks and Romans used the word hill, Greek "bounos," not "oros," mountain, when referring to the seven hills Rome was built upon.

Rev. 13-1 and other scriptures tell us that the horns and heads symbolize crowned kings. If the vision John was seeing was Rome of his day, the ten kings would have already been crowned and the seven heads or mountains on which the woman sitteth would not be named "blasphemy." The name of blasphemy attached to the seven heads or kings, as this is what they represent in 17-10; symbolizes their overall personality, as being arrogantly opposed to God. These seven heads that represent kings are not seen crowned in Rev. 17-3. The seven heads cannot refer to seven Emperors of the Roman Empire because there has been more than seven Emperors of Rome historically. (Source: World News and Bible Prophecy, Charles H. Dyer, pages 151-152). The seven heads are clearly identified in Rev. 17-9-10 as seven kings, not hills. We read, "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings; five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short time."

The words there are in Rev. 17-10, translated from the Greek "eisen" which is from the root verb "eimi" meaning "to be." Eimi is present tense third person plural meaning "they are." This verifies to us that the seven heads represent seven kings. In the Old Testament the word mountain, Hebrew "Har," was used symbolically to describe a national kingdom. In Dan. 2-35 it describes the rock that smote the feet of the image as growing into a huge mountain. This huge mountain we know to be the Kingdom of Christ. In Jer. 51-25, Har is used figuratively to describe Babylon as a "destroying mountain." Mountain symbolizes Babylon's destructive military power. "Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain saith the Lord, which destroyest all the earth;---." The seven heads spoken of in Rev. 17-9-10 are described as being both seven mountains and seven kings. They are also to represent kingdoms as we see in Jer. 51-25.

From the Old Testament usage of the word mountain, we can conclude that the seven heads refer to seven kingdoms and their kings. Also the use of the word mountain represents that on which the kingdom rests. And it is much larger in area than a hill or mount that many make the word out to be.

Rev. 17-1 describes this superpower as "the great whore that sitteth upon many waters." Rev. 17-15 tell us that the waters where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. Peoples "laos" describes people of the same stock and language gathered together. Multitudes, "ochlos" is referring to casual groups of common people. Nations, "ethnos" refers to non-Jewish foreign immigrants. Tongues, "glossa" refers to distinct languages used by the various nationality groups. In other words, water symbolizes a melting pot of various nationalities having settled within the borders of this superpower nation. Is this superpower beginning to sound familiar yet?

In Matt. 16-18 Jesus describes how the church will be built when he said, "Upon this rock I will build my church;---." The same word "upon" is used to describe the great whore, the woman in Rev. 17-1: "---the great whore that sitteth upon many waters." The word "epi" is a primary preposition properly meaning superimposition of time, place, order etc. Superimposition refers to the act of laying or the state of being placed on something else. For example, Jesus would begin building his church by adding people to himself. Likewise, the great whore was settled over time by many different nationality groups through immigration. This then fits in with the idea of distribution of the participle sitteth where we have mixed groups of people migrating or being distributed from other nations to the superpower. Does this not fit the description of the U.S.?

In Rev. 17-18, the Greek "echo" and "basileia is translated "reigneth" echousa, from the root "echo" means to have or to hold something. Here that something is the word "basileian." It means to rule or have predominance over the kings of the earth. From the context however, the woman is not the sovereign world ruler. She does not have absolute control over the kings of the earth. Rev. 17-7 teaches us that the beast carrieth the woman. This word carrieth is in the genitive case signifying possession. It means to support, sustain, carry, uphold or bear what is burdensome. In other words, the relationship of the woman to the beast is one of bondage. The woman is in some form of bondage to the beast in spite of the fact that she is the world's preeminent superpower nation. In the broader sense, carrieth indicates the spiritual bondage of the superpower to evil demonic powers. Rev. 18-2 teaches that the superpower nation lives under the attack of evil, demonic spiritual powers of wickedness. Her golden cup once filled with God's blessings and opportunities is now overflowing with his curses and the evil fruit resulting from her covetousness and idolatry.

Although she is being carried in a position of power as the world's number one superpower because of her combined economic and military strength, she is in financial and spiritual bondage to the Satanic power of the beast kingdom. This is why we hear the cry recorded in Rev. 18-2-4 concerning this superpower nation: "---is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and the cage of every unclean and hateful bird."

Most doubt that Babylon the Great could be the U.S. because of the large number of professing believers within the nation and its lead role in world evangelization. Yet the cry to come out of Babylon the Great in Rev. 18-4 is written to God's people, the followers of Jesus Christ. Would it not make sense that this cry to come out of Babylon the Great would be written to a nation filled with God's people like America is?


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The Beasts of Daniel Chapters 10-12 Reviewed


We see that the four beasts given in Daniel represent kingdoms and kings who would be ruling when the prophecy would come to fulfillment. The 1st kingdom which was like a lion and an eagle represented Babylon, its king at that time being Nebuchadnezzar. The 2nd kingdom represented the Medo-Persian Empire seen in Dan. 8-20; its ruler, king Darius (Dan. 5-31) which conquered Babylon in 539 B.C. (Daniel chapter 5). The 3rd kingdom represented Greece, its king Alexander (Dan. 8-21). When Alexander died in 323 B.C. the Empire was divided up among his 4 generals, represented by the "4 heads and 4 wings" seen on the beast leopard. Its kings and kingdoms divided into smaller kingdoms was; Lysimachus given Thrace and Bithynia. Cassander its king, was given Macedonia and Greece. Seleucus its king, was given Syria, Babylon and land to the east. And Ptolemy its king, was given Egypt, Palestine and Arabia Petrea. The 4th beast kingdom seen in Daniel's vision was not named, but most scholars and many today see it as being the Roman Empire. Officially its first sole ruler/king at the time was Julius Caesar, 100-44 B.C.

The final vision given to Daniel was recorded in Daniel chapters 10-12. Daniel 10-1 records, "In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia (here the year is 536 B.C.). Daniel was told that the vision was true and that it referred to a "great war." What is recorded from Dan. 11-2-35 are the major events, and major rulers of the Persian Empire and continuing to the major events of the Alexandrian period, ending with the prophecy which scholars say was about Antiochus Epiphanes from 175-164 B.C. All said by scholars as having been fulfilled in history. In Dan. 11-2, the prophecy begins by describing four kings of Persia (v. 2). "Now then I tell you the truth; three more kings will appear in Persia, and then a fourth, who will be far richer than all the others. When he has gained power by his wealth, he will stir up everyone against the kingdom of Greece." Scholars conclude that Xerxes1 was the ruler who attempted to conquer Greece at the time and height of power of the Persian Empire. Xerxes1 had gathered an army of several hundred thousand and began a war against Greece (520 B.C.) in which his fleet and his troops were defeated. Persia never rose to great power after that. Dan. 11-3-4, Here Daniel prophecies the coming of Alexander the Great; "Then a mighty king will appear, who will rule with great power and do as he pleases. After he has appeared, his Empire will be broken up and parceled out towards the four winds of heaven. It will not go to his descendants, nor will it have the power he exercised, because his empire will be uprooted and given to others" (verses 3-4). This prophecy spoke of the rise of Alexander and his conquering the Persian kingdom. As history records, when Alexander died in 323 B.C., his conquests was divided among his four generals.

Dan. 11-5-6, These passage concerned struggles between Syria as the king of the north and Egypt as the king of the south. Though Syria is not mentioned because it did not exist as a nation at that time and Egypt being a nation is referred to as king of the south. This passage corresponds to history. Ptolemy 1 Sotor (323-285 B.C.) is the king of the south. The one who is stronger than he refers to Seleucus 1 Nicator (312-281 B.C.). In Dan. 11-7-9, a later king of Egypt, Ptolemy 3 Euegetes (246-222 B.C.) was able to conquer the northern kingdom, seizing a great deal of booty as is described by Daniel. "---he will attack the forces of the king of the north---and be victorious. For some years he will leave the king of the north alone" (verses 7-8). Verse 9 indicated an attack of the king of the north against the king of the south which occurred about 240 B.C. and was led by Seleucus 2 Callinicus. However he was defeated and returned without conquering Egypt.

Dan. 11-10-12. Here history reveals Antiochus III attacked Egypt with some success. As ruler of the kingdom of the north, Antiochus III had several successful campaigns against Egypt during a period when the Egyptian ruler, Ptolemy Philopator (221-203 B.C.) could not raise enough resistance against him. Dan. 11-13-16. These prophetic passages correspond precisely to the history of the period which described these wars and the success of the kingdom of the north. The conquering of a fortified city (v.15) was fulfilled when the Egyptian armies were defeated at Paneas at the headwaters of the Jordan river, where there, Antiochus III was able to take Sidon which was captured 199-198 B.C. The result was that Syria controlled all the Holy land as far south as Gaza. Dan. 11-17-20. At this time, Rome began to grow in power, and it seemed best for Antiochus to make peace with Egypt by marrying his daughter Cleopatra to Ptolemy V. Epiphanes (v.17). Antiochus having settled things with Egypt, attempted to conquer Greece but was defeated in 191 B.C. at Thermopylae and in 189 B.C. was again defeated at Magnesia southeast of Ephesus, this time by Roman soldiers.

Daniel's prophecy now turns to two other rulers, Seleucus IV Philopator (187-175 B.C.), and Antiochus Epiphanes IV who was the famous persecutor of the Jews, and seen by most scholars as the little horn in Dan. 8-9-14. Seleucus IV Philopator is indicated in Dan. 11-20, "His successor will send out a tax collector to maintain the royal splendor. In a few years however, he will be destroyed, yet not in anger or in battle (v.20). He had to pay Rome a tribute each year. Dan. 11-21-35. The tax collector he appointed was named Heliodorus (2 Macc. 3-7). In these verses 21-35 a ruler of Syria, known as Antiochus Epiphanes IV now appears. In comparison to the earlier rulers of the northern kingdom, he is described as "a contemptible person who has not been given the honor of royalty. He will invade the kingdom when its people feel secure, and he will seize it through intrigue" (v.21). The attempt of Antiochus to destroy the Jewish religion was described by Daniel in these passages. "His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him (verses 31-32). At that time Dan. 11-33-35 says: "but those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered. When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them. Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end,, for it will still come at the appointed time" This tells us that after the events of verses 21-32, much time would pass, until the appointed time of the end.

The reference to "the time of the end" referred to in the remaining prophecy beginning in verse 36 was not the fulfillment of the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes IV as many believe. The time gap between Antiochus ( verses 21-35) and the end time (verses 36-45) was common in the Old Testament, as verses 33-35 indicate; as many prophecies concerning the first and second coming of Christ though presented together, were separated by thousands of years in their fulfillment. The detailed prophecies of Dan. 10-1-11-35 were prophetic from Daniel's viewpoint in the 6th century B.C., and have now all been fulfilled. But beginning with verse 36, the prophecies given by Daniel relate to the period just before the second coming of Christ.

Dan. 11-36-45. This ruler is described by Daniel, "The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard of things against the God of gods" (v.36). Some interpretors have attempted to relate this king to Antiochus mentioned in the earlier verses of this chapter. However, the evidence of history is that Antiochus died shortly after fulfilling the preceding verses in the year 164 B.C. He did not fulfill any of the events described in this last part of the chapter, beginning in verse 36. Daniel goes on, "He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place" (Dan. 11-36). This is seen in Dan. 7-27-28 and the destruction of this final ruler (kingdom) is seen in Rev. 19-20. He fulfills the prophecy of speaking "against the God of gods" (v.36) and Rev. 13-5-7. This ruler is described in an unusual way, "He will show no regard for the gods of his fathers or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all." ( Dan. 11-37). Daniel goes on to describe him, "Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses, a god unknown to his fathers he will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts" (v. 38). He will place material things above all else, which will enable him to increase his power militarily and politically. "He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price" (v.39). He will be successful as is seen in Rev. 13-8, "All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast (kingdom)--all whose names have not been written in the Book of Life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world." The final verses of Daniel chapter 11, beginning with verse 40, describes the final war or battle which occurs in the period just before Christ's second coming.

The Middle East, Israel and Jerusalem will be the catalyst that brings about this final war and battle prophesied for the end time. The battle called Harmageddon or the Day of the Lord. Daniel describes this, "At the time of the end the king of the south will engage him in battle, and the king of the north will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships" (v.40). "He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood." Daniel goes on, "He will also invade the Beautiful Land.� Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Nubians in submission. But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him" (Dan. 11-41-45). Daniel is given further information in chapter 12 concerning this vision of events given him of this final battle to come in the end time. He records that "at that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people--everyone whose name is found written in the Book--will be delivered" (v.1). This brings us to Rev. 7-1-8 where we see 12,000 Jews from each of the 12 tribes would be sealed (protected) in this tribulation, because their names were found written in the book "of deliverance." Dan. 12-2 clearly speaks of a resurrection, not only of Jews but Gentiles as well. "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth (worldwide) will awake; some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt." This prophecy clearly gives the fact of a great resurrection at the prophecy's fulfillment. This passage confirms the fact that those who believe that Antiochus Epiphanes IV completed the prophecy seen in verses 11-36-45 are in error. The scripture here is given to us clearly and is not in any way to be speaking "figuratively". It concerns the end time as is seen and told to us in Dan. 12-4. "But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll "until the time of the end."

Daniel 12-5-13 gives us further revelation. Daniel sees two others, one on one side of the river, the other on the other side. "One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?" (v. 6). "The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time" (v.7).

Because this particular set of events period is said to be 42 months seen in Rev. 13-5, the expression here is understood as "time" being one year, "times" being 2 years and "half a time" as half a year; adding up to three and a half years or 42 months. Daniel was told that this would occur "When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things (the events given to that point in time) will be "completed" (v.7). In Dan. 12-8, still not understanding, Daniel asks, "My Lord, what will the outcome of all this be?" The angel replied, "Go your way Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end"(v.9). Dan. 12-11-12, closes up the words of the prophecy. "From the time that the daily is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, 1290 days. Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the 1305 days and 30 days." The prophecy ends in Dan. 12-13, where he is told, "As for you, go your way till the end, you will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance." The revelation of Daniel is not only essential to understanding Old Testament prophecy, but also in a particular sense the key to understanding the book of Revelation. The book of Daniel supports the view that the book of Revelation was to be a future prophecy to come in the end time.

Most agree that the iron legs of the statue represented Rome as being the 4th Empire. But there is a difference of opinion concerning the identification of the feet and toes of the statue. The key to understanding the passage rests on the interpretation of the rock that fills the earth. This rock that symbolizes the Kingdom of God and is declared in Dan. 2-44-45. So it follows that if the dominion described in verse 44 refers to Christ's second coming, then the last part of the statue, the feet of ten toes made up of iron and clay, must represent an earthly empire existing prior to Christ's return. In this case, it could not be ancient Rome. It must also be noted, that since Rome is part of western Europe, when the empire of Rome dominated and the activities of the empire was centered there, it is reasonable to assume the prophecy's fulfillment to be stating that this area of the world would play an important role in this future kingdom to come. That kingdom being the feet and the ten toes that would come and extend from the iron legs of the kingdom of ancient Rome who dominated from western Europe.

Most see "the little horn" in chapter 8, coming out from one of the four horn/kingdoms as being Antiochus Epiphanes IV. But is that what the context is relating to us here in chapter 8? This is widely believed because of what is seen in Dan. 11-21-35 as being the history of Epiphanes IV, to whom most scholars relate the "little horn" of chapter 8 to; the little horn coming from the divided "Greek kingdom." It seems clear from the context seen in Dan. 11-21-35 to be the history of Epiphanes IV during his reign. But is he the �little horn� of chapter 8 that most scholars relate and refer him to be? For if we read Dan. 8-9 closely, the context does not fit with the activities of Antiochus Epiphanes IV. We read, "Out of one of them (the four horns representing kingdoms) came another horn (another kingdom) which started small but grew in power (dominance) to the south and to the east and (then) toward the Beautiful Land."

We see this little horn kingdom, not king, though every kingdom has a king, coming out from one of the four kingdoms divided of Alexander's kingdom then in existence. Divided to the four generals after Alexander's death. And this is another kingdom coming out from among these four kingdoms already established at that time. When Antiochus Epiphanes IV became king, the four kingdoms were in existence and firmly established, and he was but a king of one of those four kingdoms, that being Syria and its territories given it. We see also in following the directions given in the context of Dan. 8-9, that the kingdom started small but grew in power as it moved to the "south." So we see as this little horn kingdom moved south, it expanded, gained more territory and dominance, and grew in power. Though this "seems" to parallel Antiochus' activities, these seen here are the activities of the little kingdom growing in power, and not the kingdom of Epiphanes IV. The next direction this little horn kingdom takes is said to be "to the east," growing further in power and dominance as it moved in that direction. The last direction given is it would then move even further east "toward the Beautiful Land." This representation of this last direction is seen as being the land of Israel, then called Palestine. Now when we strictly follow this order of direction, as the little horn kingdom grew in power, it does not strictly fit the activities taken by Antiochus Epiphanes IV, though his "actions" concerning the Jews at that time may be seen as similar.

After Epiphanes IV became king in 169 B.C., Ptolemy Philometor launched an attack to regain territories ( Palestine and Phoenicia) he had lost to the Syrians. But Antiochus' forces defeated him and he was taken hostage by Epiphanes IV. Philometor made an agreement to become an ally with Antiochus if he helped him regain his throne in Egypt. Antiochus agreed only so that he could gain a foothold in Egypt. So with this first campaign, in the strictest sense, he did not grow in territorial power toward the south. He defeated the Egyptian king and plundered Egypt, but that is all. At that time, as he returned home by way of Palestine, he found an insurrection in progress. He quickly put down this rebellion by killing thousands of men, women, and children, looted the temple, then returned home in the north. Here again we see he did not grow in territorial power with this move "toward the east and beautiful land," for these territories "were already his possession and subject to his kingdom." In 168 B.C., when Antiochus invaded Egypt again to conquer this territory to his south, he was not successful. Verse 30 tells us what was the cause of his failure. He encountered opposition from the "ships of the western coast-lands." The Hebrew word "kittim" was an ancient name for "Cyprus." Here it refers to the Roman fleet that had come to Alexandria at the request of the Ptolemies, Egypt's rulers. Here we are introduced to the fourth empire Rome, the iron legs that would dominate the known world. At that time it all but had dominated the Greek kingdoms and much of the known world. And as we continue, we shall see that Rome is the �little horn which grew in power in those directions being spoken of in Daniel 8.�

As the Syrians were moving to besiege Alexandria, the Roman legions prevented him from doing so. Antiochus then withdrew from Egypt in total humiliation. Again we see in this campaign against the south (Egypt), he did not grow in power, nor in territorial power, as is said "the kingdom" would do in Dan. 8-9. His later activities against the Jewish people beginning in 167 B.C. and their temple are similar to what is seen in Daniel chapter 8. The activities of Epiphanes IV are given us in Dan. 11-30-35, where he came against Jerusalem, its temple, its people and their religion. Though the activities of Antiochus are similar to the context described in Dan. 8-9-14, they are not the fulfillment of the history of Epiphanes IV, nor is Epiphanes IV the "little horn" in those verses. They were to be the fulfillment of the ancient Roman Empire, the iron legs, and the end time complete fulfillment of the kingdom of the feet and ten toes of iron and clay. The final kingdom that would come out of the Roman Empire in western Europe. This can be seen when we strictly follow the context of Dan. 8-9 as we look to the history of the Roman Empire from their early beginnings.

In the 6th century B.C., the city of Rome was just a small fortress town in central Italy, but in a short time would begin to expand her territories. At that time this represents the "little horn" seen in the text that started "small," but would grow in power toward the "south." At the time of Alexander's death in 323 B.C., his four generals struggled for control of his empire. These were Antipator and later Cassander, who gained control of Greece and Mecedonia. The second, Lysimachus ruled Thrace and a large part of Asia Minor. The third, Seleucus1 Nicator governed Syria, Babylon and much of the Middle East ( all of Asia except Asia Minor and Palestine). The fourth, Ptolemy 1 Sotor controlled Egypt and Palestine. By about 275 B.C., after years of warfare, the Empire had been carved into "three" large kingdoms ruled by the descendants of these generals. During those times, the Romans had expanded their territories in the Italian peninsula.; except for the Greek city-states "in the south" and the Etruscan power in the north.

After 300 B.C., Rome dominated the Italian peninsula as far "south" as the Greek city-states of the great Greek kingdom. We see this meets the context of Dan. 8-9, where "Out of one of them,� the four divided kingdoms "came forth another horn". From the "horn kingdom" given to Antipator and Cassander who controlled Greece and Mecedonia in western Europe. And the little horn kingdom grew in power "toward the south" where they dominated the Italian peninsula as far south as the Greek city-states of the great Greek kingdom. The people of Carthage had contended with the Greeks for control of Sicily ( south of Rome) for over a century. In 264 B.C. the Greek ruler of Syracuse ( Sicily) invited Rome to join him in the fight for control. For the next 64 years (264-201 B.C.) Rome fought a series of long wars with Carthage known as the Punic Wars. The Romans finally defeated the famous Carthaginian General Hannibal in 202 B.C. Rome now had dominance "as far south" as Carthage and beyond in North Africa. After adding Spain in the north to her conquests, Rome then turned "toward the east". To the east of Rome lay Thrace, Mecedonia, Greece and her city-states. During those times the Greek kings of Syria, the Seleucids, and the Greek kings of Egypt the Ptolemies, fought over Palestine from 323 B.C., after Alexander's death until 301 B.C. when the Ptolemies established control. Shortly after in 198 B.C., the Seleucids wrested control from the Ptolemies. For a time this would remain the possession of the Syrian Empire, with Rome under their control by a signed treaty made with her, where much of the Syrian military force and heavy payments to Rome kept them in obedience until Antiochus Epiphanes IV would come to power. He would be the 8th Seleucid Greek ruler, and would rule from 175-163 B.C.

After Antiochus became ruler in 169 B.C., Ptolemy 6 Philometor (181-146 B.C.) launched an attack to regain territories ( Palestine and Phoenicia) lost to the Syrians, but was defeated by Antiochus' forces. In 168 B.C., Antiochus invaded Egypt again, but this time he was not successful. The Roman fleet had come to Alexandria at the request of the Ptolemies. Antiochus backed down and withdrew from Egypt in humiliation. In that year, the Romans warred and won a victory over Mecedonia, who lay "east" of Rome, thus expanding her territory "to the east" as the context of Dan. 8-9 reveals concerning "the little kingdom" who would grow in dominance towards those directions seen in Dan. 8-9. But because of further disturbances in the following years, Rome invaded Mecedonia again, and in 147-146 B.C., Mecedonia was officially made a province, making it Rome's first acquisition of territory in the Greek kingdom empire itself. In that same year of 146 B.C., she also added most of southern Greece to this province in the "east" of Rome; which was placed under the authority of the governor of Mecedonia. At this time we now see Rome, the little kingdom, having gained power and dominance to the "south" and now "to the east" of her as far as the Mediterranean Sea, where further east now being the Middle East, where the Beautiful Land lay.

During that age of imperialism, running roughly from the first Punic War to the acquisition of the province of Asia (265-133 B.C.), the Roman Republic became the largest single power in the western world. It now controlled millions of people from Spain to Asia Minor. In 133 B.C., the last king of Pergamum in Asia Minor died without leaving a successor and willed his kingdom to Rome. Four years later (129 B.C.), Rome created the province of Asia. At this time we see Rome the little kingdom not only moving toward the Beautiful Land, but now gaining control of it. Where then Rome embarked on further expansion in the Middle East of Asia Minor, securing step by step the whole eastern seaboard of the Mediterranean. Julius Caesar was ruler of Rome from 100-44 B.C., and he continued with Rome's expansion of territory in Spain and Gaul. By 49 B.C. Rome's rule extended far beyond the Mediterranean basin. After Caesar's assassination in 44 B.C., there was a period of civil war, until in 31 B.C. Augustus achieved sole power. But prior to that time in 63 B.C., Pompey took Jerusalem and made the state a tributary of Rome, and removed from it all the cities it had formally conquered, reducing Judea to its own borders. He gave Syria, Judea, and the countries as far as Egypt and the Euphrates to Scaurus to govern. Now at this time we see that Rome, the little horn, had now come toward and against the Beautiful Land of Judah and Israel, fulfilling the prophecy seen in Dan. 8-9. "Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land." From 37-4 B.C., Herod the Great was made king and ruled over all of Judea. In 30 B.C. Rome conquered Egypt from the last descendant of Ptolemy Soter 1.

Later during the first century A.D., much of "England and Whales" was added, and during the 2nd century Romania also. "It grew until it reached the host of the heavens,---." (Dan. 8-10). We can see the reference being given here, as being it grew "northward" until it reached the host of the heavens. As far north as whales and England, from which would come the Lord's host; his saints, and from there would come the final kingdom of the feet of ten toes of iron and clay. The rest of the prophecy of Dan. 8-11-14 relate to the future, to the final kingdom of the feet and ten toes. Daniel 8-9-14 does not relate to the history nor fulfillment of Antiochus Epiphanes IV. Dan. 8-9-11 refer to the Roman kingdom, and Dan. 8-11-14 relate to the final kingdom of the feet and ten toes prophesied to come in the end time. In the east Rome made further gains, and for a time carried the frontier almost to the Caspian Sea. Over the next 400 years, the size of the Roman Empire varied little. The fall of the western Roman Empire ended with the last Roman Emperor ruling in the west until 476 A.D. The eastern division of the Empire continued until 1453 A,D.

When the birth of Christianity came through our Lord Jesus Christ, Christianity spread quickly throughout the Roman Empire in spite of persecution. In the first several centuries it had spread as far as Spain in western Europe. For Christianity a major turning point came when the Roman Emperor Constantine, in A.D. 312, granted the Christians the freedom to worship. By 392 A.D., he had Christianity become the state religion of the entire Roman Empire, from England to Asia. All other religions were either banned or suppressed, and Christianity became an organized church with a hierarchy closely identified with the Roman Empire. The organized church gained great power in governmental and civil matters. From the 11th century on, there was a single church for the whole of Christendom ruled from Rome, later extending over the entire continent. From Iceland to Italy and from Sweden to Spain. By the time of the 17th century, most rulers were convinced that the key to stable government was the sovereign's exclusive control of both religion and politics. By this time much of western Europe had become monarchies. From the early days of the Reformation (the 1550's) monarchs found that extending their authority over the church greatly enhanced their power over the state. But this only caused chaos and wars throughout Europe. By the 18th century, it became the age of absolute monarchy in Europe. That time brought about the "Age of Revolutions" (1776-1848). The age of Revolution that brought about the birth of the United states.

This is the history of the little horn, the kingdom of Rome, the iron legs, which came forth from the division of the four Greek kingdoms. Rome, the little horn which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land." Where "it grew until it reached the host (saints) of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them" (Dan. 8-11). This brought an end to the little horn Rome, "the Holy Roman Empire," with the legs of iron who would fulfill this part of the prophecy. Daniel 8-11-14 relates to the final kingdom of �the feet and ten toes of iron and clay�, who would then come forth and fulfill the prophecy, in the "latter part of its reign." This kingdom, the feet of the ten toes made up of iron and clay, would come from the iron legs of the "holy Roman Empire�, from England and various parts of Europe and elsewhere of the Roman Empire's kingdom.


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Jesus' Resurrection and the Teaching of the Holy Spirit to the Apostles.


Before Jesus' crucifixion, he told his disciples that the Father would send the Holy Spirit to them in Jesus' name. And “he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you” (John 14-26). Scripture tells us that after Jesus' resurrection, he appeared to Mary and his disciples in the course of 40 days as Luke records in Acts 1-3. “---being seen of them (the disciples) forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.”


Though all the Epistles in the New Testament are important, most important are the epistles of 2 Timothy and 2 Peter, for they tell us of Paul and Peter's departure from this world. The internal evidence of these epistles show that they were written shortly before their deaths as martyrs. The internal evidence shows that Peter's second epistle was written a year to a year and a half after 1st Peter, a short time before his martyrdom which he anticipates in 2 Peter 1-14. This would date it between 64, the 1st epistle, and 67 A.D., the 2nd epistle shortly before his death in Rome during Nero's reign.


Concerning Paul, the evidence shows that in the summer of 66 A.D. He returned to Ephesus and left Timothy in charge (1 Tim. 1-3). In the summer of 67 A.D. he wrote Timothy from Macedonia, he later went on to Crete and left Titus there (Titus 1-5). He wrote Titus from Ephesus in the autumn of 67 A.D., visited Miletus (4-20), Troas (4-13), Corinth (4-20), and spent some time at Nicopolis (Titus 3-12). He was imprisoned again in the spring of 68, tried, and was sent to Rome. He was placed in a dungeon cell from which he knew he would never be set free (4-6). Second Timothy was written in the fall or winter of 67 A.D. He was beheaded in Rome in May or June of 68 A.D.


Full preterists hold and maintain that all New Testament writings, including Revelation, were completed prior to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., thus fulfilling all prophetic scripture. Yet Paul in his second epistle to Timothy, written in late 67 A.D. before his arrest, speaks not a word of the fate of Jerusalem as being “the coming of Christ” to fulfill all prophetic scripture. That this was to be the “sign in heaven” spoken of by Jesus in his Discourse. That this was the fulfillment that he (Paul) and Peter wrote about of the time being “at hand” (eggus); not excluding here the writings of the apostle John, who lived to be in the mid to late 90's A.D.


If ever there was a time to reveal these things it was then, for at that time Jerusalem certainly was under siege; and Paul, in his travels would certainly have known this! Not only that, Paul knew he was going to be killed: 2 Tim. 4-6, “For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure (death) is at hand.” So he certainly would have revealed it to the church, if it had to do with the second coming of Christ for his saints, and not God coming in judgment on Jerusalem. The coming of Christ in certain passages do speak of Christ's coming as being “at hand,” in judgment on Jerusalem in 70 A. D. Here this writer agrees, but it is not the second coming of Christ spoken of in Revelation. Neither is the book of Revelation about Jerusalem's destruction in 70 A.D. The book was written after the fall of 70 A.D. and speaks of prophetic events that lay for a future time. Since the dating of Revelation is highly debated and rejected when looking to the historical and external evidence by preterists, we will attempt to prove it with the internal evidence as we continue.


Another thing that is striking is seen in 2 Tim. 3-1-9. We read in verse 1, “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.” Paul gives a large list of sinful and ungodly things that would occur not only in the secular world but the church also, as Paul indicates in verse 5. Now are we to believe, as the preterists teach, that the things Paul speaks of, in those short 3 years before Jerusalem's destruction, they would be fulfilled? Remember Paul said in the last days when he wrote this epistle, all these sinful events would occur, clearly indicating a large span of time would be required for its fulfillment. Yet according to the preterist view they were in the last days, so why would Paul speak of these days as yet future? It is more reasonable to see these last days of particular prophetic texts in the New Testament as being those that would overlap and continue into the New Covenant age till all be fulfilled, would it not?


The last days are different from the end times. The last days refer to the last days of Old Covenant Israel; “as” the body of Christ was being brought in during that 40 year transition period. The New Testament authors did write about prophecy but a good percentage of their prophetic messages dealt with the immediate fate and future of national Israel. Thus, when they wrote prophetically they wrote primarily about Israel's last days (i.e. end time/age), while writing prophecy about the early Church's end time/age to come for them; as we read in Hebrews: "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and unto them that look for him shall he appear a second time without sin unto salvation. (Heb. 9-28).


There are other New Testament passages that use the very same kind of time text references that speak like verses seen in Revelation of a soon coming. Such as Heb. 10-37, "For yet a “very little while” he that comes will come, and will "not delay." Peter 4-7, "But the end of all things is "drawn nigh” (“has approached”; “eggizo,” Strongs #1448);"---." Phil. 4-5, "---The Lord is near." (“”eggus,” Strongs #1451); Rom. 13-11-12, "---and the day is near;"---." (“eggus,” Strongs #1451); Rom. 16-20, "But the Lord of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.” (“tachos,” Strongs#5030, speedily, suddenly) James 5-8-9, "--for the coming of our Lord is at hand.”(“has approached;”eggizo, Strongs #1448)---behold the judge "standeth before the door." These are just some of others that could be given seen in the New Testament that speak of imminence, of a soon, or quick coming. Paul admonishes godly living in light of the fact that the "night is almost gone, and "the day is near" (eggus#1451; Rom. 13-12). Peter says, "The end of all things "is near," (eggus#1451) therefore, be of sound judgment and sober spirit for the purpose of prayer" (1 Peter 4-7). James also speaks in this way, "--you to be patient; strengthen your hearts, for the coming of the Lord "is near" (“has approached;”eggizo#1448, James 5-8).


As noted, the last days refer to the “end age” of the Old Covenant age for the nation of Israel; while the body of Christ began to be brought in during that 40 year transition period. This is seen in Hebrews 9-28. "So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and unto them that look for him shall he appear a second time without sin unto salvation,” not “judgment.” This is also made clear in 1 Cor. 10-11 where we read: “Now all these things happened unto them for examples; and they are written for our admonition (instruction), upon whom the ends of the world (ages) are come.” Who have the end of the ages come upon? The church! The end of the Old Covenant age for the Jewish nation was “at hand.” Thus the ends of the final ages, being the end of the Old, and the New Covenant age which “are come,” has begun; has come upon the church. What has come to be called, the church age, and at its end, comes the second coming of Christ as is seen in the book of Revelation.

As also 1 Cor. 15-24-26 tells us: “Then (cometh) the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, (the church age) till he hath put all enemies under his feet; the last enemy (that) shall be destroyed (is) death.”


As noted, since the dating of Revelation is extremely important to the prophetic texts and their proper understanding of God's word; we will attempt to prove the late date of the book of Revelation by its internal evidence. To show that it was written post 70A.D. and prophetic for a future time.


In Luke 21-35, when speaking concerning "that day" given in verse 34, "that day---will come on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth" (tes ges). Here the meaning is quite clear, it is the "entire earth," and not just a specific land area in the world. In Rev. 12-9, "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, he was cast out into the earth (gen) and his angels were cast out with him." In verse 12, a woe "for the earth (gen) and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you." Here again, the word for earth is "gen", the entire earth. Using "earth" and "sea" together indicates that this speaks of the entire world which consists of the land and the sea. This is not speaking of a restricted area of earth/land, neither in Jerusalem or the Roman Empire.


The Greek word "ge" is to mean the entire world. When "ge" is used in the limited sense, it is used in a limited sense of land within a specified region given in the text. A few examples are; Matt. 11-24, "Land (ge) of Sodom"; John 3-22, "land (gen) of Judea." Hebrews 8-8-9, "land (ges) of Egypt"; Matt. 14-34, "land (gen) of Gennesaret"; Acts 13-17-19, "in the land (ge) of Egypt---in the land (ge) of Canaan." The contexts throughout the New Testament determined when "ge" was being used in the sense of the entire earth or a specific land area. Rev. 1-7 reads, "all the tribes of the earth "(ai phulai tes ges) will mourn because of him." Here the word "phulai" means "tribes" and "ges" means "earth," the entire world/earth.


The Greek word for "tribes" is phule, the Septuagint also used phule, but also in reference to non-Hebraic tribes and nations. To give here a few examples; Gen. 12-3, "---and in thee shall all the tribes of the earth (phulai tes ges) be blessed." This is also seen in Gen. 28-14 when the promise was given to Jacob. "---in thee and thy seed shall all the tribes of the earth (phulai tes ges) be blessed." These tribes of the earth are seen in Ezek. 20-32, "--we will be as the nations, and as the tribes of the earth (phulai tes ges) to worship stocks and stones."


This passage parallels the other passages of Christ returning as he ascended, in a cloud, or clouds. (Matt. 24-30; 26-64; Mark 13-26; Luke 21-27; Rev. 1-7). All these passages parallel each other. “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they which pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth (ai phulai tes ges) shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.” (Rev. 1-7).


Here we must note that the word “fulfilled” is a poor and incorrect translation seen in Matt. 24-34. It should read, “Verily I say unto you , this generation shall not pass, until all these things begin to take place.” Not “fulfilled.” The Greek word is genetai from genomai, to begin to be, to come to be, and is quite different from pleroo, to fulfill. In Luke 21-32, which is the parallel passage, we have the word genetai, begin to be, while in verse 24, we have the word pleroo, fulfilled. “--until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.” (Luke 21-32). So when reading Matt. 24-34 following the correct translation, we read: “Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, til all these things begin to take place.” This is what the Lord Jesus said, and they did begin to take place during that very generation. For following the Lord's death there would be many coming saying, “I am Christ,” (v.5), but in order that we might clearly understand, Jesus immediately adds in Matt. 24-6,”--for all must come to pass, but the “end is not yet.”


In continuing, one time text they use is seen in Luke 21-22. "For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." From this text they conclude that absolutely all prophecy, rather than just the prophecy about the vengeance on Jerusalem was fulfilled in 70 A.D. When doing a word study on all these things written, they would see they overlooked these verses spoken by Jesus before his resurrection. "---Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished” (Luke 18-31). Then after his resurrection we read in Luke 24-44, “And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled,which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.” In these two passages all things written refer to the things in the context concerning Jesus, rather than to all things prophesied that are not in the context or written as yet. Therefore, as in Luke chapter 18 and 24, so it is in Luke chapter 21.


Matt. 24-34,"Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, until all these things begin to take place.” Mark 13-30,"Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done." Luke 21-32, "Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass away, til all begin to be” (to take place). The Greek word for generation used in these passages is genea. It conveys the idea of linage or a duration of time defined by the human life-span from birth to death.


Jesus declared that society would be in a state of normalcy when he returned. That is there would be no sense of imminent danger or catastrophe (read Matt. 24-38-39; Luke 17-28-29). However, as the days of the destruction of Jerusalem approached, things were anything but in a state of normalcy. Jesus prophesied about this in Luke 19-43 where he speaks of Jerusalem's siege and fall.


Speaking of the events preceding the time when Christ's second coming would draw near, Jesus said; "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh" (Luke 21-28). What is there about the word "redemption" that could possibly be associated with the destruction of Jerusalem? Every place this word is used, it is associated with salvation, not cursing, with deliverance not judgment. The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. had nothing to do with what we read in Luke 21-28. Christ's second coming would be for the redemption of his saints which certainly did not occur in 70 A.D. That coming still awaits fulfillment.


In continuing, a question arises in determining who Mystery Babylon the Great is concerning the timing of John's vision. Was the angel showing John a vision of the great Roman Empire that ruled over the world at the time of the vision? Or was the angel showing John a vision of a future great city or superpower? Some, if not most hold that the woman i.e. the city was Jerusalem which was destroyed by Rome in 70 A.D. But Jerusalem could not be the woman or city seen in chapter 17 because the text says that the woman, that great city, reigneth over the kings of the earth. The Jews and its city Jerusalem were certainly not reigning over the kings of the earth at that time. Rome and its kings of the earth were not subject to the Jews nor the city of Jerusalem. Rather quite the contrary, the Jews and the city Jerusalem was subject to Rome and its Emperor kings of the earth.


Rev. 17-18, “And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.” The verb is used is “estin” the present tense, from the root verbeimi meaning “to be,” or in other words is reigning. It could be accurately paraphrased; “And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which is reigning over the kings of the earth.” The whole vision is in the context of the future. Verse 18 is part of that future vision. You have to violate grammatical rules and remove verse 18 from its future context in order to say that the verse is speaking about first century Rome at the present time of the vision.


The preterists who hold to these views refer to Rev. 11-2 as further confirmation that the temple was still standing when Revelation was written; and that the city mentioned in this text is Jerusalem. The Greek word temple used here is naos, and is the same word used by Paul in 2 Thess. 2-4;1 Cor. 3-16;2 Cor. 6-16; and Ephe. 2-21-22. So here we read, "Rise and measure the temple of God," the holy place and the alter. But not its outer courts or precincts, for they are to be trampled on. First we see by the word “naos” given that it is indicating this temple is not the literal temple building of the Jews. For in the Old Testament scriptures, Jerusalem is called the holy city. But since they rejected Christ, the New Testament teaches us that Jerusalem is no longer the holy city, it has been left desolate since the time Christ spoke those words in 30 A.D., (Matt. 23-38; Luke 13-35;19-41-44;21-24) unto the end. In God's eyes, it was no longer seen as the holy city, because of their rejection of Christ as their Messiah. "Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach. For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come” (Heb. 13-13-14; see also Ezek. 48-35; Rev. chap. 21).


We read in 1 Peter 2-9, "But ye (are) a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation,---." Here in 1 Peter 2-9, the saints of Christ now represent what the Old Covenant nation of Israel and the holy city Jerusalem was before they rejected Christ, seen in 1 Peter 2-7-8. Now the New Covenant holy nation is considered to be the house and holy city of the God of Israel, where he would dwell. Those who hold the teaching that Rev. 11-1-2 refers to a literal temple in Jerusalem are incorrect. Rev. 11-2 only states that where this temple sanctuary resides in, is considered as being a holy city, for the Lord's sanctuary is in its midst. It does not state that this sanctuary would be in the holy city of Jerusalem. For Jerusalem is no longer considered the holy city of God. What is given us here in Rev. 11-1-2 is what is given us and parallels with Ezekiel chapters 40-48.


Note what is being measured here, and why: “And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months” (Revelation 11:1–2). This temple is measured, protected, as we see in other passages of scripture (Ezek. 42-20; Zech. 2-1-5), measuring means “protection” not “destruction.” The measured temple and the unmeasured outer court and city receive opposite fates in this passage. The temple is protected, while the rest is to be trampled on. But in 70 AD, in following the preterist view, there was no difference, both the temple and the city suffered the same fate, they were destroyed. Here in Revelation, the temple is measured and protected, not destroyed as the 70 A.D. temple was. Therefore, this measured temple is not and cannot be the destroyed temple of 70 A.D.


We also note that the holy place in the Bible refers to the holy place in the temple. In context, Matthew 24-15-16, the holy place refers to Daniel, and Daniel's location is temple related rather than city related. Besides Daniel, to which Matthew directly refers, see also Acts 6:13, Hebrews chapter 9, and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 that speaks about the holy place. The preterists say the anointing of the “most holy” (Dan. 9-24) happened when the Holy Spirit descended upon Messiah at the baptism of John. The word holy in verse 24 is the same Hebrew word as sanctuary in verse 26. Just as the desolation in chapter 8 ends with the cleansing of the sanctuary, so also the desolation in chapter 9 ends with the anointing of the sanctuary (most Holy). That is the ultimate goal of the seventy weeks, not the annihilation of the sanctuary, but rather the anointing of the sanctuary, if goals and weeks be coterminous.


Now that we know that holy and sanctuary are the same word, what does most mean? Actually, it's the same word as Holy, except plural. It's a plural of superlative, and most Holy can also be translated holy of holies. This expression appears forty-six times in the Old Testament, and it is never used of the Messiah, never used of a person. The expression always refers to the temple, the holy of holies within the temple structure or tabernacle, furniture within the tabernacle, or articles used in temple or tabernacle worship.

Preterists also refer to Rev. 11-8 as confirmation that the city in the text is Jerusalem. We read there: “And their dead body in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.” All the critical texts of scripture show in verse 8 the word "body" in the“singular” as is the word "corpse" in the first part of verse 9, they shall look upon "their corpse",--and do not suffer "their corpses to be---." Here, this city is called a great city, not a holy city as is seen in Rev. 11-2. This great city is “spiritually” called Sodom and Egypt, to indicate the great bondage, idolatry and fornication in it (Rev. 14-8; 17-1-7, 18; 18-2). While Isa. 1-9-10 and Ezek. 16-46-49 are usually cited as passages where Jerusalem is called Sodom in the text of Isaiah, it is the Jewish people,not the city who are designated as such. And in Ezekiel, Jerusalem is being compared with her sisters, Samaria and Sodom. In neither of these passages noted is Jerusalem actually called Sodom; and in the Old Testament Jerusalem is never designated Egypt.


We note that in verse 8, the G.L.T.Tr. A. WH, and RV read the Greek word “auton” to mean their, instead of “hemon” to mean our. The translators changed the word “their” to the word “our,” in that passage. The critical texts give us the word auton, “--where also their Lord was crucified.” This is important to note, for it was the apostle John under inspiration that wrote this book. And the apostle John witnessed the Lord's crucifixion outside the gates of Jerusalem himself. It was written to indicate that these witnesses were not in Jerusalem where the Lord was literally crucified, but rather in a “great city” spiritually called Sodom and Egypt where “their” (the witnesses) Lord was crucified spiritually. The whole passage was meant to be taken spiritually, figuratively, not literally, why John used the word spiritually---. “Which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also (spiritually) their Lord was crucified.”


This can be seen in Heb. 6-6 and 10-29: “If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh (again), and put him to an open shame” (disgrace). (Rev. 11-8).


Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who had trodden underfoot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done (insulted) despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Rev. 11-2). It is they in this “great city”that crucified the Lord again, and put him to open disgrace, and not in the city of Jerusalem.


We read in Rev. 17-9, “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.” Can Rome be considered the woman or great city because Rev. 17-3 and 9 tell us that the seven heads of the beast are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth, and Rome is known as the city on seven hills? The word mountain, Greek “oros” is used here for the Hebrew word “Har” for mountain. The Greeks and Romans used the word hill, Greek “bounos,” not “oros,” mountain, when referring to the seven hills Rome was built upon.


The seven heads are clearly identified in Rev. 17-9-10 as seven kings. We read, “And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. And there are seven kings; five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short time.”


The words there are in Rev. 17-10, translated from the Greek “eisen” which is from the root verb “eimi” meaning “to be.” Eimi is present tense third person plural meaning “they are.” This verifies to us that the seven heads represent seven kings. In the Old Testament the word mountain, Hebrew “Har,” was used symbolically to describe a national kingdom. In Dan. 2-35 it describes the rock that smote the feet of the image as growing into a huge mountain. This huge mountain we know to be the Kingdom of Christ. In Jer. 51-25, Har is used figuratively to describe Babylon as a “destroying mountain.” Mountain symbolizes Babylon's destructive military power. “Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain saith the Lord, which destroyest all the earth;---.” The seven heads spoken of in Rev. 17-9-10 are described as being both seven mountains and seven kings. They are also to represent kingdoms as we see in Jer. 51-25.


From the Old Testament usage of the word mountain, we can conclude that the seven heads refer to seven kingdoms and their kings. Note that there are, and represent seven of each. That is they are (represent) seven heads, they are seven kings, they are seven mountains, representing kingdoms. Not one kingdom which seven kings rule in at different times, but seven kingdoms, with each having a king ruling within it. Also the use of the word mountain represents that on which the kingdom rests. And it is much larger in area than a hill or mount that many make the word out to be. “--five are fallen, and one is, the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short time.” Remembering the biblical principle given that kingdoms or world powers are reckoned only when they come into contact with Israel, the five that are fallen are: Assyria, Egypt, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece. The sixth, one is, was Rome at the time. The other “has not come yet, but when he comes, he must continue a short time.” And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition (destruction).” This eighth beast, “of the seven” is seen in Rev. 13-11-18, the beast of the earth. Noted as being the fallen Church of Christ. He is also seen in 2 Thess. 2-3-4,6-12, The “son of perdition,” the beast of the sea and the beast of the earth; for he has rule in both these kingdoms.


And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition (destruction).” This verse shows that the Preterists and others who see the beast in chapter 13 of Revelation as being “Rome” in the first century, are in error. For this passage and others tell us that the beast, Rome, was slain (Rev. 19-20), as well as the false prophet after Jerusalem's destruction, and its body, representing its kingdom, was destroyed at that time (thrown into the lake of fire); yet history records Rome continued into the late fourth century! So this beast that was slain given us here and in the parallel passage of Daniel 7-11 could not be Rome as preterists claim. Which also brings to doubt the preterist claim that the book of Revelation was written in the mid-sixties before Rome destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D. Where then Rome at that time would also have been destroyed by the opening of the seals, and fulfillment of the book of Revelation. History clearly shows that this did not occur, the reason being that Revelation was written post 70 A.D.


Preterists also refer to Rev. 18-24 as a proof text that Babylon is Jerusalem. “And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints and of all that were slain upon the earth.” They hold that only Jerusalem shed the blood of Old Testament prophets, directly or by instigation. But what about the prophets to come in Christ of the New Testament? We read in Ephe. 4-11-12, “And he (Christ) gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers:” This verse identifies some of the spiritual gifts given to the church.


For the perfecting (equipping) of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ.” This verse is clear, the gifts are given the New Testament body of Christ, the church, for the work of the ministry and the edifying of it. And the gifts given us by Christ include prophets. These are the prophets and saints spoken of in Rev. 18-24 that this Mystery Babylon is said to have slain, and not Jerusalem. The very word Mystery itself is to mean something “secret,” or hidden from sight. Something that is not known rather than obvious to many, like literal Babylon or Jerusalem, but the mystery can be known from scripture and historical events as to Revelation's true meaning.


Romans 16-25-26, “---according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began. But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:”


Ephe. 3-3,5, “How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery;----Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;---.” (Col. 1-26).


Among other reliable sources, some notes from “Godet's Bible Studies” agree with other reliable sources presented concerning the Revelation's date. There he gives internal evidence to corroborate the date of Revelation. He quotes: “The condition of the churches indicated in the second and third chapters of Revelation render the early date improbable. These churches were not founded before 55-58 A.D.” (And as noted earlier concerning the preterists claim of a pre-date writing of Revelation; Polycarp, who was the bishop of Smyrna recorded that no church in Smyrna existed during the ministry of Paul. Paul died around 66-67 A.D. (Paul died in May or June of A.D. 68; emphasis mine). So to the preterists who hold to a predate 70 A.D. writing, the question then is "how or why" is it that John would have written to the church of Smyrna "when they didn't even exist as a church yet?" The second and third chapters of Revelation describe a condition which could only have arisen a generation later than the date of Paul's intercourse with these churches.”


Godet goes on and notes the fact that a church organization reveals itself in the 7 churches spoken of in Revelation. He notes that this church organization did not come forth until about the close of the 1st century. In each church there is one man, “the angel of the church,” through whom the whole church is addressed. There is no hint of any individual enjoying a distinction like this until about the beginning of the 2nd century. He notes that the expressions in chapters 2-9 and 3-9 point to a complete separation between the church and the Jewish synagogue. This complete separation did not take place until the “destruction of Jerusalem was completed in 70 A.D.” He notes, “---therefore we see by this language of Rev. 2-9 and 3-9 that Revelation belongs to a later date beyond 70 A.D.”


The large amount of evidence given here only speaks of the internal evidence of the dating of the book of Revelation. There is also a large amount of external evidence as well that is given in these pages. When adding these together, it becomes virtually certain that the book of Revelation was written post 70 A.D. by John the Apostle.


God has not left us to interpret the book, of what “The Day of the Lord” is to be. There is a Divine plan in the structure of the book; and if we believe and follow this on its lines, believing what God says, all will be clear. The structure of chapter 1 forms the Introduction to the whole book. “The Revelation of Jesus Christ.” This is the Divine title of the book. The book is often called the Apocalypse, which is the transliteration of the Greek word Revelation. It literally means an unveiling. It may be understood as either taking a veil from a person, causing him to become visible; or of taking the veil from the future, and disclosing the course of events which shall take place. “--what things which must in speed (Greek; en tachei) come to pass--.” And he “sent and signified it by his angel---who bore witness (testified) of the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ.”, the past tense shows that the Introduction, though coming first, was necessarily written last. And “of all things that he saw.” Not only what he heard but all that he saw in the vision of this prophetic book.


The key that unlocks the door to the understanding of Revelation is its relation to “the day of the Lord,” and not to a particular day of the week (Sunday), as some suggest. What John saw was by the Spirit's power which was “the Day of the Lord,” and the whole course of future events connected with that day. Just as the vision which Isaiah saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem was future, and made known to him by the Spirit; so it is with John. Isaiah's vision included “the last days” (Isa. 2-1-2), and John's visions refer to “the Day of the Lord.”


Ezekiel to saw visions of the future by the Spirit (Ezek. 11-24-25;40-2-3) concerning the events connected with the restoration of the house of Israel. In precisely the same way, by the Spirit, John saw the events that would take place in “the day of the Lord.” This is the foundation on which the entire book is based. In order to get a true understanding of any passage, or book, the interpretation of the “words” must be determined by “the scope of the context.”


In Romans 16-25, we are told of the “mystery” or “secret” concerning the church of God. We are told that it “was kept secret since the world began.” That “in other ages it was not made known unto the sons of men” (Eph. 3-5). That it “from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God” (Eph. 3-9). That it “hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to the saints” (Col. 1-26).


In the Epistles we learn what is to be the future and end of the body of Christ. The members of that body are waiting to be “received up in glory” (1 Tim. 3-16). They are waiting for their “calling on high” (Phil. 3-14). They are looking for the Savior the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall change their corrupt bodies that they may be changed like unto his glorious body (Phil. 3-20-21).


In Rev. 1-9 we are told that John saw and received the Revelation on “the Lord's Day.” Objections have been taken to the proper interpretation of the Lord's day here because we have the adjective “Lord's” instead of the noun, “of the Lord,” as in the Hebrew. In the Hebrew language if a Hebrew wanted to say “the Lord's day,” he must say “the day of the Lord,” by using these two nouns. In the Greek there are two ways of expressing this, either by saying literally, as in Hebrew; “the day of the Lord, using the two nouns, or by using the adjective “Lord's” instead. It comes to exactly the same thing as to its “meaning.” The difference lies only in the emphasis. So what is the “DAY of the Lord” or “the LORD”S day”? The first occurrence of the expression, which is the key to its meaning is in Isa. 2-11. It is the day when “the lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the Lord alone shall be exalted.”


Laying tradition aside, in Rev. 1-9, John tells us he “was in the isle that is called Patmos for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.” There is no idea of banishment in these words as tradition holds. These words tell us that John went to Patmos “for” the purpose of receiving the revelation, just as Paul went into Arabia (Gal. 1-17). “On account of” is the meaning of the word used here-for-. The truth recorded here is that John was there on account of (to receive) the word of God; i.e., the prophetic message, “the words of this prophecy.”


It is prophecy concerning the events which shall take place “hereafter,” during “the day of the Lord.” All the words are “the words of this prophecy.” John was to bear witness of all the things that he saw (v.2): and “what thou seest write in a book.” The whole book therefore is prophecy.


The Revelation of Jesus Christ,” this is the Inspired title of the book. The book is often called the Apocalypse,which is a transliteration of the Greek word rendered “Revelation,” which means an unveiling, or taking away a veil from the future and disclosing the course of events which shall take place. “Which God gave to him (Christ) to show to his servants what things must need come to pass in speed” (en tachei). This word is used in two senses depending on the context. Greek scholars note the word to first be taken to mean “quickly” as to speed, or action in fulfillment of the prophetic events. For the very word itself speaks of an action. Greek verbs emphasize kind of action, with time relationships being secondary. Two, “soon” as to the time in which the events described reach their fulfillment when the prophetic events come to pass. So the context is important in applying en tachei as to its proper usage.


So when we come to the word en tachei, we know it to mean “quickly in action of its prophetic fulfillment.” And secondly, as to its “time,” the prophetic events would occur, that is in a short span of time, as can be seen by the context given in the book. We can see this from the very first words of Revelation that it is prophecy, and that when it comes, its fulfillment and appointed time, will occur in speed (en tachei). This is the proper meaning in the opening passages of Revelation, in how we are to understand the prophetic book. Not that the prophecy would occur “soon” as to the time after it was written or revealed, but that “when” these events would occur, they would come to pass in quick succession. “The second woe is past; behold, the third woe cometh quickly” (Rev. 11-14).


Examples: Act 25:4, “Festus then answered that Paul was being kept in custody at Caesarea and that he himself was about to leave “shortly.” We see once Festus was "informed" he moved "shortly,” that is in a short space of time.


Act 12:7, “ And behold, an angel of the Lord suddenly appeared and a light shone in the cell; and he struck Peter's side and woke him up, saying, "Get up quickly." And his chains fell off his hands.” We see Peter once “informed,” he moved "quickly."


Act 22:18, “and I saw Him saying to me, “Make haste, and get out of Jerusalem “quickly,” because they will not accept your testimony about Me.” Again, "once Paul was informed" he moved "quickly,”in a short space of time.


We see in the context of these passages, the word “en tachei” is used to (first) denote the action or speed in which it was then (secondly) accomplished in a short space of time. Just as in Revelation, its meaning is "once Christ is "informed,” that is to mean the time has come to approach God and “open the seals,” the time of its fulfillment comes."


The Greek word "tachu" is to mean "swiftly" or "quickly" In Rev. 1-1 and 22-7, the Greek "en tachei" given there, literally reads (en) in (tachei) speed. In swiftness, in speed, or with swiftness with speed. "Tachos" speed is translated "quickly" in 22-7, and "tachos" is translated "shortly" in Rev. 1-1. In reading Rev. 1-1 literally, it is "---things which must in speed"(en tachei) come to pass;---." In Rev. 22-7 it literally reads, "Behold I come in speed; blessed (is) he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.” So we see by the wording used here in Rev. 1-1 and 22-7, it is not referring to something happening soon as in the very near future as preterists take these words to mean. Rather the wording refers to rate of speed in which these series of events given in Revelation will occur when they come to pass. We read in Romans 16-20, "But the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet "shortly"---." This Greek phrase "shortly" is "tachos" or speed that is used here and is also found in Rev. 1-1 and 22-6, "---the things that must shortly (in speed) come to pass---." Here Romans 16-20 serves as a further argument against preterist time text references, for Satan has yet to receive his final crushing blow. Even though it has been nearly 2000 years since Paul wrote that this would shortly take place. So we have seen by the proper use of the wording and its context, the book of Revelation is not referring to something happening soon as preterists take these words to mean. Rather the wording refers to the rate of speed in which these series of events would occur when they came to pass.

John writes in Revelation 4-1, “After this I looked, and, behold, a door opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard (was) as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.” We see in Rev. 5-1, In God's right hand he held a “sealed book;” sealed with seven seals. In Rev. 5-7, Christ is seen as the one worthy to open the seals and takes the sealed book from God's hand. And in chapter 6 we see he begins to open the seals and release the prophecy of the Revelation's contents.


The Inspired Word says in Rev. 1-11, "What thou seest write in a book, and send (it) unto the seven churches---." The very first words he heard when he "became in Spirit" (verse 10). We then read in Rev. 1-19, "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter." Then Christ tells him that the mystery of what John had seen represented the angels and the seven churches. Then goes on to give a message to each of the seven churches of what their current situations were at the time. But in each letter they were told to persevere and overcome and they would be rewarded; except for the church in Laodicea which was told to repent.


The point is it applied to the churches that would then be in existence, when we consider the audience relevance,and those of the body of Christ thereafter. The "hereafter” begins in chapter four. John hears a voice saying, "Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter." And these things to be “cannot begin to be fulfilled until Christ opens the seals seen in chapter six.”


And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof” (Rev. 5-5).


The prophecy of Jesus Christ, when “the time shall come,” Jesus shall do it, quickly, suddenly, “in speed,” as we see he testifies such in Rev. 22-20, with speed it shall be accomplished “---and he (Jesus) signified it by sending his angel to his servant John.”(V.2) “--who testified---,” the past tense shows that the introduction, though coming first, was of necessity written last. It connects the introduction with the conclusion. Compare Rev. 1-1 with 22-16-20, the only three occurrences in this book.


It means not only having testified, but written and made known, “---of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ what things soever he saw.” As John testifies in Rev. 22-8, “I John saw these things, and heard them.” Another proof in this past tense passage that Rev. 1-1-2, the introduction was written last, and put there for a very good reason just established. In order to confirm that from the very opening words, the entire book is prophecy of a future time. Not “soon,” but when that appointed time shall come, its events would occur in speed (en tachei), as Jesus testified in those passages.

The indication of these “short prophetic times” are seen in Matt. 24-22 and Mark 13-20, “And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.”


Verse 3 reminds us of that again: “Blessed he that readeth, and they who hear the words of this prophecy and keep the things written therein, for the season is near.” The word “kairos” refers to the ordained appointed time, the Advent of the Day of the Lord.


We read in 1 Thess. 5-1-2, “But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For you yourselves know perfectly, that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.” It is the “day of the Lord,” which is the subject of Revelation, and in Rev. 3-3, the Lord warns us as to his coming “as a thief,” the very opposite of what we read in Ephe., Phil., and Col.; for mark the sudden change of pronouns in the following passages. “For when they shall say, peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them---and they shall not escape. But ye brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.” As we have noted, the book is prophecy, and meets its fulfillment, at the appointed time, in the Day of the Lord. When the Lord shall be unveiled as the Son of Man, and every eye shall see him.


We read in Rev. 1-7, “Behold, he cometh with clouds and every eye will see him, and all the tribes of the earth will wail because of him.” Yea; Amen. Here we have a double confirmation of the truth of this statement. Compare the conclusion in Rev. 22-20. The figure is called synonymia, to mean the use of synonymous words in order to strengthen the certainty of this prophecy.


This is the one great object of all the future events seen by John in vision, and recorded in Revelation. The book of Revelation consists of a series of visions which will take place during “the Lord's Day,” which is connected with “the revelation of Jesus Christ.” Also we must note that John was not told to send seven separate letters to seven separate assemblies; Jesus said: “What thou seest, write in a book and send it unto the seven assemblies.” John tells us in Rev. 1-10 “I was in (or came to be in) the Spirit, in the day of the Lord,---.” In order to see visions of God the prophet Ezekiel (1-1) was under the direct influence and power of the Spirit. John also was transported by spiritual power into the scenes which would take place in the Day of the Lord; in vision. And John heard “a great voice as of a trumpet.” Saying, “What thou seest write in a book,---.” Not in seven separate epistles, but in this book which we have at our disposal today; the book of Revelation. “Write the things which thou hast seen,and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter.” The command to write here (1-19) refers to all that John saw, and not merely what he had seen in verses 12-16. We must also take into account that the Introduction of the book was written last.


Early, post-apostolic Christianity made much of the fact of the destruction of the temple as evidence of God’s rejection of the Jew. Let us survey a few early Christian references to the destruction of the temple.


The Epistle of Barnabas is dated between A.D. 75 and 100. In Barnabas 16: we read: “Moreover I will tell you likewise concerning the temple, how these wretched men being led astray set their hope on the building, and not on their God that made them, as being a house of God. . . . So it cometh to pass; for because they went to war it was pulled down by their enemies.” It is indisputably clear that Barnabas makes much of the fact of Jerusalem’s fall as an apologetic for Christianity.


Ignatius wrote around A.D. 107. And although clear and explicitly detailed reference is not made to Jerusalem’s fall in Ignatius’s letters, there is what seems to be an allusion to the matter. In his Epistle to Magnesians 10 we read: “It is absurd to speak of Jesus Christ with the tongue, and to cherish in the mind a Judaism which has now come to an end.” With the demise of the temple, Judaism is incapable of worshiping in the manner prescribed in the Law of God; it “has now come to an end.”


Justin Martyr wrote his 77 First Apology of Justin about A.D. 147. In this work we read in Chapter 32: “For of all races of men there are some who look for Him who was crucified in Judea, and after whose crucifixion the land (i.e. Israel) was straightway surrendered to you as spoil of war.” In chapter 53 he writes: “For with what reason should we believe of a crucified man that He is the first-born of the unbegotten God, and Himself will pass judgment on the whole human race, unless we had found testimonies concerning Him published before He came and was born as man, and unless we saw that things had happened accordingly- the devastation of the land of the Jews.”


In the fragments of the works of Melito of Sardis (written about A.D. 160-180), we read of his words against the Jews: “Thou smotest thy Lord: thou also hast been smitten upon the earth. And thou indeed liest dead; but He is risen from the place of the dead, and ascended to the height of heaven.”


Hegesippus, in the fragments of his Commentaries on the Acts, writes (A.D. 170-175): “And so he suffered martyrdom; and they buried him on the spot, and the pillar erected to his memory still remains, close by the temple. This man was a true witness to both Jews and Greeks that Jesus is the Christ. And shortly after that Vespasian besieged Judea, taking them captive.” He ties in the persecution of Christ’s apostle James to the destruction of Jerusalem.

Clearly, early Christianity made much of the fall of Jerusalem and the Jews. Bu